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 Post subject: England ~ Big Sam's Big Plan
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[quote]Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce is to be interviewed for the England manager's job this week. (Guardian)

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has indicated he would like to manage the England team. (Bein Sports, via Metro)
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 Post subject: Re: Next England Manager
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why are the media canvassing for Eddie Howe ? we all know what happened with Aidy Bothroyd (is he still with the U-19s ??)

I think Bielsa would be perfect for the young squad England has

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why are the media canvassing for Eddie Howe ? we all know what happened with Aidy Bothroyd (is he still with the U-19s ??)

I think Bielsa would be perfect for the young squad England has


Haven't really seen much canvassing for Eddie Howe his name has been chucked in the hat as he is probably the best young English manager currently on the scene but 12 months ago we'd have probably said that was Garry Monk that's how quickly things change. Not sure where Boothroyd is now got a feeling he might be out of work it was the same with Stuart Pearce & maybe even Southgate who needs to get himself out of that setup and back into club management. If Burnley stay up this season then people will be talking up Dyche as a future England manager the important thing really is that these guys are given chances to learn from the mistakes they inevitably make as young managers.

Not sure Bielsa methods would work well with English players he's a very intense manager and I'm not sure he'd have enough time to get his message across to them especially if it was in a second language would be interesting to see what sort of carnage he'd create though.

For me it's Allardyce time to reign this squad needs organisation and he can do that it also needs a strong manager who will stick to his methods and not be manipulated by the media to pick certain players and Allardyce is a man who will stick to his way regardless of what others think. I'd like to think that under Allardyve we'd stop conceeding the sort of goals that you'd be p*ssed off about letting in on a sunday morning it won't be pretty but football doesn't always need to be.

The only problem with Allardyce is he probably doesn't fit into this modern football culture thing that the FA are trying to do.

The scary thing is that Hoddle is/was being talked up as a potential option despite the fact he's not been a manager in 10 years and if he does come back all those things he said that got him sacked will be back on the papers again they'll set him up to knock him down again.


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Allardyce!!!!!

I can't believe England are even considering him and his route 1 shite football.

The talk of Klinsman is exciting


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Why not if we want to employ an English manager Allardyce is the top candidate imo he's well experienced in the English way of playing his teams generally punch at or above their weight and despite what many see as his old school style he's adopted a lot of modern methods.

I'm sick and tired of seeing England trying to build and build and build for the next tournament give Allardyce a shot if it doesn't work sack him and bring the next guy in ideally I'd like to see England play attractive attacking football but to be honest I'd just like to see them win and perform at an international tournament. I want a manager who has a plan and sticks to it regardless of what the hacks at the Sun are saying he should do you qualify with a plan then you take it into the tournament not rip it up at the last minute and change everything.

If we're going foreign then Klinsmann probably is the man to go for he's got plenty of experience in international football and he probably fits in well with what the FA are trying to do but I wonder would him or Wenger be better suited to the role Dan Ashworth has ie the administrator with the vision rather than the manager we have to try and give English coaches some sort of chance.

If Neville hadn't gone to Spain and flopped he'd have taken this job no doubt.

I just think we need to accept that like Portugal we can't go toe to toe with the top sides so we need to play a style of football that allows us to compete ie don't give away cheap goals.


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Look what an inexperienced Bilic did to a side Allardyce had.

It would be a huge mistake, if he really is the only English option then we need to go foreign like the rugby team.


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Inexperienced? He'd been Croatia manager took them to Euro 2008 before taking over at Lokomotiv Moscow & Besiktas. Yes he had a great first season with them but lets not forget Allardyce took over after they'd been relegated got them back at the first attempt and stabilised them in the Prem I'm not expecting them to suddenly drop down the table but lets see where they finish next year.

We probably do need to go down the foreign manager route again but given what the job involves I think it's better used as a job for young English managers it's pratically part time the qualification is relatively straight forward for the tournaments and it gives the young coaches a chance to work with top level players.


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The chances of Sam Allardyce becoming the next England manager have been enhanced by his willingness to help the Football Association to mentor a young assistant who would be groomed as his successor.

The FA is keen to talk to both Allardyce, who left Sunderland’s training camp in Austria on Monday night, and Jürgen Klinsmann, the USA coach, about the vacancy created following Roy Hodgson’s resignation, but have been encouraged by the 61‑year‑old’s apparent enthusiasm for helping them to polish the next in line. Sunderland insisted that Allardyce’s early departure concerned ongoing discussions over potential transfers, with one source stating it was “business as usual”.

The club had earlier remained resolutely silent in the face of mounting speculation on Monday.

While formal contact between manager, club and the FA is still to be established, Allardyce has made no secret of his desire to coach his country and was desperately disappointed to lose out to Steve McClaren when the pair competed for the post a decade ago.

After performing wonders to rescue Sunderland from relegation last season, a manager who has one year remaining on his contract at the Stadium of Light knows his stock is high. While suggestions that his Wearside deal includes an escape clause designed to facilitate an easy exit should England come calling have been dismissed by club sources, the relative brevity of his current agreement indicates that compensation would not be an insurmountable issue for the FA.

Although Allardyce enjoys a good relationship with Ellis Short, Sunderland’s American owner, he seems deeply frustrated by the club’s failure to make a single signing so far this summer.

It appeared Martin Bain, Sunderland’s new chief executive who began work on 1 July after arriving from Maccabi Tel Aviv, had made a breakthrough last week when Davide Santon seemed to be on the brink of joining from Internazionale only for negotiations to break down at the last moment.

“We want to improve the squad with two, three or four players as quickly as we can,” Allardyce told Sunderland’s website. “We’re trying to work in the market shrewdly and to get the best value for money we possibly can. Hopefully the fans will be a little bit patient but I have to admit myself that my patience is wearing thin – very, very thin indeed.”

Allardyce, anxious to sign the West Ham United striker Diafra Sakho, is understood to be angry about the failure to solve a problem position at left-back by signing Santon and described the £3m move’s collapse as “a huge disappointment”.

If such travails should encourage Martin Glenn, Dan Ashworth and David Gill – the FA’s chief executive, technical director and vice-chairman respectively – in their pursuit of Allardyce they will be more interested in his consistent championing of young English coaches over the years. Even so, the FA continues to talk to a number of potential candidates and interested parties which are likely to include Bournemouth’s Eddie Howe and Steve Bruce. Although they are still to make contact with either Hull’s manager or his club Bruce - currently at a pre-season training camp in Portugal - was delighted to be mentioned in dispatches.

“It’s highly flattering and, whether or not it goes any further than that, I’m honoured to be linked with it,” he said. “It’s the pinnacle isn’t it? To manage your country, there’s no bigger job. It’s all speculation but there’s a lot of people who have written nice things and I’m grateful for that.”


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Allardyce, then when Mourinho leaves United after causing mayhem in the third season, get him in.

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There is, it has frequently been noted, a certain lack of continuity about the business of appointing a new England manager. This is not just limited to the England managers themselves, who often tend to be opposites or mirror-images of the predecessor who has been found wanting, it also applies to the people who make the appointments. Change is practically built into the Football Association’s constitution. Every time a manager needs replacing it will be a different set of headhunters forming the posse, and hence a different set of ideas, preferences and protocols.

That is why there are no rules for guidance about whether the England manager should be English, say, or whether he should be a certain age and have a particular number of Premier League games under his belt. Nothing is ever ruled out and nothing is ruled in. It is an ad hoc decision each time, and this time it will be reached under the aegis of Martin Glenn, the FA chief executive, who has made it abundantly clear that he not a football expert.

Sam Allardyce could well have been pleased to hear that, because after supervising close to a thousand games and managing to improve each of his clubs to the extent that he has never suffered a top-flight relegation despite being sent into some unpromising situations, his own football credentials are impeccable. And the previous time he was interviewed for the England job, 10 years ago when the FA were looking for a successor to Sven-Goran Eriksson, an experienced panel led by Brian Barwick ended up overlooking him in favour of Steve McClaren.

The FA then added insult to injury by claiming McClaren had been the preferred candidate all along, even though it was obvious Barwick had been turned down by Luiz Felipe Scolari. The new-found commitment to up and coming English coaches lasted as long as it took for England to fail to qualify for Euro 2008, at which point preposterous sums of money were flung in the direction of Fabio Capello.

It remains possible that the best choice for England in 2006 would have been Allardyce. Then, as now, he would not have been seen as a fashionable or forward-looking option, but he deserved his chance and he would probably have made England a tight enough defensive unit to at least qualify for the 2008 finals instead of finishing behind Croatia and Russia. He almost certainly would not have trialled a three-at-the-back system in Zagreb, or let a lead slip in Moscow, though there is nothing to be gained from the application of hindsight when foresight is what is required.

Allardyce has already been seen, so we know the FA are interested, and now he and Sunderland are being made to wait while a few other candidates are considered so that no one can accuse Glenn and his colleagues of not casting their net sufficiently wide.

Yet if, as reported, the FA intends talking to Jürgen Klinsmann, the net is perhaps being cast wider than it need be. On Roy Hodgson’s resignation, Glenn indicated he would be appointing the best man for the job, regardless of nationality. That immediately brought Arsène Wenger into the equation, even though the Frenchman would rather wait until Arsenal have no further use for him than leave his present post to answer an England summons.

Klinsmann is understood to be more attainable, even receptive to FA overtures. While things have not exactly gone sour in the US, they appear to have become somewhat stale. Klinsmann spends most of his time urging his players to show more aggression within their clubs and fight for game time instead of being content with a squad number and a place on the bench.

He is constantly criticised for not picking enough MLS players, or for selecting players out of position, because of his belief that the American system does not produce performers equipped to cope with international football in sufficient numbers.

In other words, his experience, philosophy and skill set are a world away from Allardyce’s, so much so that it is hard to believe two such disparate candidates are being interviewed for the same job. It is true that Klinsmann has considerable international experience both as a player and a manager with Germany, though it is also worth pointing out that the current German side peaked only once Joachim Löw took sole control.

Klinsmann has no real insight into the English sporting psyche other than anything gleaned from his short spell as a player at Tottenham, whereas Allardyce, or Steve Bruce or Alan Pardew for that matter, have been immersed in English football at several levels throughout their working lives.

It is hard to escape the conclusion that the FA makes life unnecessarily difficult for itself when it glibly states that it wants the best man for the job regardless of nationality. No other leading football country gives itself the same dilemma, because almost all the developed nations stick to the fundamental principle of international football, that it should be a true contest between nations without borrowing or blurring of boundaries.

It is not exactly cheating to hire a foreigner as coach – there are reasons why it might be beneficial for emerging nations to do so – but a country with a strong domestic league and a World Cup winner’s star on its shirts should have no truck with it. Especially when England has no one else to blame if too many of the managerial positions at its top clubs are held by foreign coaches, leading to a situation whereby English managers find it hard to break into the elite.

It is far too easy to sneer at Bruce for only managing at Hull, when the more difficult question to answer is why he has never been offered a chance at Manchester United. Note too how Sir Alex Ferguson rarely misses a chance to rate Allardyce highly when the England job is under discussion, though was much more reticent about advancing his cause as a potential successor at Old Trafford.

English managers are stuck in a double bind. There are not enough of them, they cannot get the top jobs, yet when the England job is up for grabs they are accused of lacking experience. Premier League short-termism might have brought this situation about, but the FA should be resisting the trend, not affirming it.

International football might be in decline, overshadowed by glitzier club competitions that bring the world’s best players together in a more dynamic way, though in the end it is still the most accurate indicator of a nation’s footballing health.

It shows the calibre of the players and coaches being produced. In neither case could the numbers in England at the moment be said to be impressive, but that does not mean there are not enough good people around. The FA just needs to invest the same trust in English coaches as it does in English players, and without delay.

The fact that the shortlist is at present so short might be a cause for embarrassment, though surely the greater embarrassment would be in looking elsewhere.


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You know the feeling, right? The side you hated most in an election goes and bloody well wins. It’s horrible and it’s dark and it feels like the end of the world. You walk through the streets glaring at people, knowing many of them have put these dreadful a**eholes into power. Them. They did it. How dare they? The fools.

The people you hate most, the people who you loathe to your very core, people who you know are a vicious stew of the venal, the incompetent, the naive, the mendacious and the dumb-as-lard blowhards, have got hold of the reins of power and it’s all the fault of those who walk beside you. You snarl, you sneer and it is profoundly depressing. In the eight general elections, two Holyrood elections and two referendums I’ve voted in, the side I voted for has only won four times. Four out of 12 is a poor win ratio, but at least it is 4% better than Sam Allardyce’s at Sunderland.

But what can you do? It eats you up for a while, as you can’t find a place to put the despair. But then you look for silver linings, because that’s what you do. And the one I’ve clung onto for so long, after eight losing votes, has been the sure knowledge that whatever dunderheed has been put into power will, sooner rather than later, make an almighty cock of it, become a hated figure, even by most of those who stupidly voted for them. OK, they may have devastated the country by then, but at least that pleasure awaits. Out of the ashes, hopefully, a better world can grow and then, in some way, even though you’ve lost, soon, you will have won. I do realise the limitations of this, but have you got anything better?

Conversely, on the odd occasion when your side wins, you immediately begin to worry because now they’ve got to live up to your expectations. Surely they will. Surely they won’t let you down and prove to be as useless as so many people said they would be. Surely they won’t be all mouth and trousers. Oh god. What if you’re one of those idiots they were all glaring at on the day after the election?

Our lesson here is this; sometimes it’s worse to be on a winning side that proves to be terrible, than be on the losing side and never knowing how the one you supported would have done. You, at least, still have the right to dream.

Big Sam’s acolytes have lived off this principle for ten years, forever pointing to their man every time an England manager failed. Big Sam wouldn’t have done that, they said. Guaranteed. He’d not have made that mistake. No way. And, of course, no-one can ever know.

Let’s cling to this principle with all our strength, because, actually if you think about it, those of us who have long shuddered in horror at Allardyce being the England manager have absolutely nothing to lose when he is appointed. Nothing at all. Let’s just bloody well get this done and out of the way. As Sarah said last week, let’s have The Full Big Sam. Bring it on, in all it’s lumpy, gravy-stained, blood pudding fashion.

If he turns out to be the answer to all our problems, fine. Then at least we get to see a successful England side. I, for one, can put up with the tabloid hero worship. If he wins, there’s hope for all of us.

If he doesn’t, then all of the Proper Football Men in the game, all of the ex-players and journalists who have spent so long telling us how modern he is just because he used technology that was modern in 2004 and because he ‘understands the English game’ will take an almighty kick to the metaphysical bollocks and will have to endure us all jabbing our fingers at them and saying, “I bloody told you, signing Jay Jay Okocha 14 (yes 14!) years ago isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card you can play forever to prove that you’re not dedicated to playing boring football.”

The pro-Sam arguments are the same ones that have been made since 2006. I won’t bother to reiterate them, you know them well enough. Weird that they’ve not moved on since then. That suggests atrophy not progression. But even so, let’s get this done and out of the way. Sometimes bitter pills have to be swallowed just to prove that Smarties are much nicer.

Imagine how great it will feel to see everything we always said about Big Sam come true. Of course even if his results are worse than his predecessors, some will still try to tell us how great they are, but eventually, as England fail to impress once more, even they will have no-one to bleat about, no-one to blame, no tired old excuses about morale, tactics, training or lack of turbo-charged vibrating plates (sorry, but in my mind’s eyes all I can see is Allardyce being interviewed pre-game in about 2006, and in the background was Kev Nolan on said plate, shuddering like your mam diggin’ the spin dryer)

There is a chance that the Allardyce regime will be so horrible it would make the idea of any other manager of his ilk, vaunted by the popular press as a simplistic solution to a complex issue, an utterly ridiculous notion. At least for a decade or so, just as it did after the Kevin Keegan disastrous regime, an appointment clamoured for by the PFM army.

But then again, if England win and win big under him, I shall be the first to celebrate it and the first to say I voted the wrong way. It hasn’t happened yet in politics, but in football, you never know. I’m not holding my breath, but I’m still hoping it turns out OK for the ludicrous dumbass never-tire-of-punching-in-the-face swollen wart hog-potato hybrid. But that’s enough about the Foreign Secretary.

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Hull boss Steve Bruce was interviewed by the Football Association about the vacant England manager job on Monday.

Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce has also been interviewed and is favourite to succeed Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England lost to Iceland at Euro 2016.

Bruce, 55, led Hull back into the Premier League last season after relegation to the Championship in 2015.




Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe and USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann have also been linked with the role.

FA chief executive Martin Glenn is fronting a three-man panel, which also includes FA technical director Dan Ashworth and board member David Gill, to decide the next England manager.

Former Manchester United captain and defender Bruce, who was never capped by England, said in June that he would be staying at Hull.

However, amid talk of a takeover at KC Stadium, he accepted he could be replaced when asked if he was certain of his position.

Prior to talks with the FA, Bruce recently said it was "highly flattering" to be linked with a role he hopes goes to an Englishman.

"I think the top of the FA in my opinion should be English. I've always said that, there's nobody more patriotic than I am," he told BBC Radio Humberside.

"I'm honoured to be linked with it. It's the pinnacle to go and manage your country. What bigger job in the world is there?"


If the FA are going to take a manager who's already at a club they need to pull their finger out and pick one as it's not fair on the club if the manager jacks to take the national team job just before the start of the sesaon.


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I dont see how he can get such high profile job ...

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never knew the national team was in the relegation zone

arguably one of the most non-inspiring appointments i can think of

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Hull boss Steve Bruce was interviewed by the Football Association about the vacant England manager job on Monday.

Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce has also been interviewed and is favourite to succeed Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England lost to Iceland at Euro 2016.

Bruce, 55, led Hull back into the Premier League last season after relegation to the Championship in 2015.




Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe and USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann have also been linked with the role.

FA chief executive Martin Glenn is fronting a three-man panel, which also includes FA technical director Dan Ashworth and board member David Gill, to decide the next England manager.

Former Manchester United captain and defender Bruce, who was never capped by England, said in June that he would be staying at Hull.

However, amid talk of a takeover at KC Stadium, he accepted he could be replaced when asked if he was certain of his position.

Prior to talks with the FA, Bruce recently said it was "highly flattering" to be linked with a role he hopes goes to an Englishman.

"I think the top of the FA in my opinion should be English. I've always said that, there's nobody more patriotic than I am," he told BBC Radio Humberside.

"I'm honoured to be linked with it. It's the pinnacle to go and manage your country. What bigger job in the world is there?"


If the FA are going to take a manager who's already at a club they need to pull their finger out and pick one as it's not fair on the club if the manager jacks to take the national team job just before the start of the sesaon.


The FA are a disgrace and don't give a shit about the clubs. They did this to us during our build up the UEFA cup final ffs.

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Sam Allardyce will not announce any decision on Wayne Rooney's England captaincy until after his first meeting with his players.

Manchester United skipper Rooney's place in the national squad was called into question prior to this summer's European Championship but he was included in the group Roy Hodgson picked.

Rooney only played the full 90 minutes once in four games at the tournament and was benched for the final group fixture against Slovakia before coming on.

Allardyce, speaking at his first news conference since his appointment was confirmed last week, said: "It's far too early to make any predictions in that area.

"I'm going to leave that until we meet all the players and we get all the coaching staff together behind the scenes and plan for the internationals in September.

"It's the first day in and [I'm] getting my feet under the table. I'm meeting everybody here at St George's Park."

The fact Allardyce will work primarily at the national training complex was one which was vital to the FA - and the new man buys into the logistics of that.

Allardyce added: "I think it's very important I base myself from here. I've nicked Dan's [Ashworth, FA technical director] so I've kicked him out.

"It was 10 years since I was last interviewed [for the position] and to sit here is obviously a huge, huge thrill for me.

"I think I fit the chair. I hope I do. I think I've got the experience to pass on and not only challenge the England team but challenge myself.

"I think [managing] five Premier League clubs has given me a huge amount of experience and nobody else in the Premier League clubs.

"Man-management is my biggest asset, to try and help players enjoy themselves and become better than they already are.

"I think that worked everywhere else I've been so hopefully that will work on the England side. I'll have that approach in this job."


Will be interesting to see what the new manager does with Rooney you would imagine if he's not playing midfield for Utd then he can't be doing that for England (not that he should've been doing it anyway) but his goal scoring record in qualifying just can't be ignored. You can question the quality of the opposition but Rooney gets the job done in these games on a regular basis and our other strikers so far haven't really proven much at international level when it comes to qualifying. Kane & Vardy have impressed in friendly matches but didn't really show at the Euros, Sturridge is constantly missing squads so it's hard to rely on him and Rashford is a kid and I expect he'll drop back down to U21's next season.

I think he'll try Kane with Rooney behind and that might mean Alli is used from the bench a bit more or even used as a midfielder I just can't see Allardyce doing what McLaren did with Beckham and basically making him the scapegoat as to be fair to Rooney he was one of the better performers at that tournament over the 4 games.

I just hope Allardyce doesn't make the same mistake Hodgson did and try to play a style of football that isn't what has bought him success at club level Hodgson was a defensive coach but under him our defence was a shambles because he was under pressure to play attacking football.


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The thing is should Rooney be captain at the 2018 World Cup? If the answer is no then you strip him now.

For me is have a word with Rooney and let him announce his international retirement rather than making out he's dropped but I'd be making it clear to him that he isn't in my thinking.

Sturridge Kane Rashford are the way to go now and you'd have to imagine Carroll will be making squads under Allardyce

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 Post subject: Re: Next England Manager
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:39 pm 
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I'm sure there's a way of spinning the situation but I get the impression that Rooney has no intention of retiring at the next world cup he'll be 32 he's so close to breaking the appearence records as well the only thing I could see changing his mind is a bad injury. I think he actually really enjoys playing for England he's never been one to pull out of friendlies with niggles when England call he nearly always answers.

I'd probably go down the road of telling him I want you in my squads but you'll be picked based on performance as a striker I can't see Allardyce wanting him in midfield. If he dropped Rooney the press would go crazy where are the journalists going to get all the leaked team news from now :wink: first thing I'd want to discuss with Rooney is ask him to explain why him and the team were frozen by fear in that game vs Iceland. People slag Rooney a lot and I'm one of them but I think he has roles to play for club and country but it's time the special privelages he was being given stopped as his performances don't deserve them.

I think there's still a role for Rooney but the days of him being the main man are over and but the problem is who takes over as captain? Who actually has a nailed on spot in that team? Dier is probably the only 100% but was his season last season a fluke? The problem is we make such a big deal about the captaincy in this country when the reality is you don't need one you need 11 on a pitch most of what a good captain does now is manage the referee and try to keep his guys out of trouble

I think if Carroll can stay fit, get a regular game at West Ham and score goals why not use him wouldn't use him from the start but off the bench when you need a goal and want to go direct there is no better player at heading the ball in world football than Andy Carroll imo. If the delivery is good there is almost nothing you can do to stop him because he's so big and strong and most importantly aggressive in the way he attacks it the only player who I think can come close to that is Ronaldo.

Will be interesting to see if he gives some of his old boys from West Ham a crack players like Creswell & Noble who've been on the fringes at times but not yet had a shot. Will be tough for Creswell as we have so many left back options and for me Noble has been unlucky not getting a cap in a friendly but lets face it he might be on par with some of the lads in the recent squads but he's not better than any of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Next England Manager
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Sam Allardyce has suffered his first setback as England’s new manager after Bayern Munich blocked the Football Association’s attempt to make Paul Clement part of the new regime.

Allardyce had identified Clement for a key role behind the scenes and the Bayern head coach, Carlo Ancelotti, was understood to be open about the idea of his assistant joining England during international breaks.

However, it has now emerged that the Bundesliga champions, preparing for life after Pep Guardiola, have told Clement they do not like the idea of him job-sharing if it means there are times when he is away during the season. Bayern’s stance is that Clement should fully concentrate on one job alone.

Allardyce is now reluctantly looking at other options and, though the FA may yet make a second attempt to persuade Bayern it can work, Roy Hodgson’s successor is obviously disappointed by the growing possibility that he will not be able to appoint his first-choice backroom team.

Clement’s time in charge at Derby County last season ended controversially with him being sacked in February, with the club just five points off top spot in the Championship. But the 44-year-old is regarded as one of the brighter young coaches in the game and rejoined Ancelotti in the summer after previously working with the Italian at Chelsea, Paris Saint-Germain and Real Madrid.

Clement helped England’s Under-21 manager, Gareth Southgate, on an informal basis last season following his departure from Derby and Allardyce’s offer of a role within the senior set-up fitted in with the FA’s plan to promote English coaches.

Allardyce, preparing for England’s opening World Cup qualifier in Slovakia on 4 September, has already appointed Sammy Lee, who previously worked with him at Bolton Wanderers, and saw Clement taking a role similar to the one filled by Gary Neville during Hodgson’s four-year reign in charge.


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