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Fresh reports around the peninsula claim Juventus have reached an agreement with Hiddink, just a week after the club publicly announced there was never any contact with him...

Ciro Ferrara's reign as Juventus coach could come to an abrupt and premature end by January as Guus Hiddink prepares for an arrival at Vinovo.

According to Il Corriere Dello Sport, the return of Roberto Bettega at the club has paved the way for Hiddink to come in and replace the underfire Ferrara.

The report suggests Bettega has already opened up dialogue with Hiddink and the two men have reached a consensus so he can join the club officially on January 2 - when the Italian transfer market re-opens for business.

It means Hiddink's first game in charge will be against Parma on January 6, before he welcomes Milan to the Stadio Olimpico four days later.

The vice general director has been hard at work trying to understand where Juve have been going wrong, and he has designed a number of action plans that he hopes will cure the problem.

Despite the report, Juventus have always confirmed their faith in Ciro Ferrara, even denying they were in contact with Hiddink last week.

But Bettega's arrival appears to have resparked the speculation surrounding the Italian's future.

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 Post subject: Re: Guus Hiddink To Become New Coach Of Juventus
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Would be a good move for them. They are in a bit of chaos now (hehehehe)

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 Post subject: Re: Guus Hiddink To Become New Coach Of Juventus
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Following a two-hour emergency team meeting on Tuesday, Ciro Ferrara remains as coach of Juventus for now.

But win or lose Wednesday's Coppa Italia match against Napoli, a game that brings together the only two clubs he ever played for as a professional, his days would appear to be numbered.

The Italian media have been avidly reporting that the arrival of Guus Hiddink is imminent, coming in as a trouble-shooting caretaker manager in similar fashion to the way he parachuted into Chelsea last season.

Even at the end of last month, Corriere dello Sport was saying that Hiddink, now with time on his hands after Russia's surprise World Cup play-off loss, was going to try to restore some stability and morale to a Juve side that has evidently lost its way since the start of December and the rampant optimism following the win over Serie A leaders Inter.

The 4-1 home defeat to Bayern Munich on 8 December, which lead to Juventus failing to qualify for the lucrative last 16 of the Champions League, clearly provoked a dramatic plummet in confidence and was swiftly followed by a 3-1 loss at Bari.

Almost as equally devastating as the Bayern loss was the 2-1 home defeat to relegation-threatened Catania. This is when the professional obituaries of Ferrara started to be heavily inked.

The players provided a stay of execution for the likeable and articulate Ferrara with a respectable 2-1 win over Parma last week, but it was back to the bad old ways with Sunday's dismal 3-0 home loss to Milan.

How Juventus president Jean Claude Blanc must have been wishing that he had acted more decisively back in December when Roberto Mancini was still available before his move to Manchester City.

So just what has gone wrong with Juventus? Not that their current predicament compares to their brief exile in Serie B during the 2006-07 season and being stripped of their 2005 and 2006 titles in the wake of the infamous match-fixing scandal.

Firstly, Blanc himself has to take much of the blame for appointing Ferrara in the first place.

Certainly, Ferrara did what he was asked to do then and kept Juve in second place at the very end of last season when matters had started to go astray under Claudio Ranieri. But a couple of wins over Siena and Lazio hardly constituted a recipe for guaranteed season-long success in the manner expected by the 27-time Italian champions.

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Secondly, and briefly, injuries and below-par performances by erstwhile key players - even stars Gianluigi Buffon and Diego have not been immune from a drop in form - have lead to a string of poor results, as they would at any club.

Even Italian national coach Marcelo Lippi, who had two stints as Juventus coach and won the 1996 Champions League crown with them, felt motivated to chip in this week, reflecting: "He (Ferrara) has had injuries but now there is a climate of fear and insecurity there."

Unless Hiddink, or whoever, rapidly overhauls the squad's prevalent defeatist mentality, the Old Lady seems set to suffer further indignities this season.

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Cees van Nieuwenhuizen has stated that there has been no contact between Hiddink and the Bianconeri...

Guus Hiddink will not be the next coach of Juventus, according to the agent of the Dutch tactician, who also revealed that there has been no contact between the Russian national team boss and the Bianconeri.

Cees van Nieuwenhuizen told Telelombardia that neither party has tried to contact the other, and that the situation is entirely based on speculation from the Italian press.

"There has not been any contact made between Hiddink and Juventus," Van Nieuwenhuizen stated in a telephone interview. "I am 100 per cent sure that he will not be the next coach of the Bianconeri.

"We have not been in contact with Juventus, and Juve have never attempted to contact us.

"It's all rumours started by the media," Van Nieuwenhuizen concluded.

The Turin giants take on Napoli in the Coppa Italia on Wednesday night.

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A January move to Turin appears unlikely for the former Dutch master...

Former Netherlands and Ajax coach Marco Van Basten has not been approached by Juventus over a possible coaching role, according to his agent Perry Overeem.

The Dutchman was tipped as a candidate to replace Ciro Ferrara by the Italian press should the former defender leave the club. However, Overeem has moved to taper the press talk.

"We cannot exclude anything, but there has not been any official contact with any team," the agent told Calciomercato.it.

"I don't know anything about a presumed interest regarding this type of role [with Juventus]."

Despite his reason to curb enthusiasm, Overeem was eager not to close the door on an eventual move.

"Would he like Juventus and Italy? We are ready to consider any serious offer that has an interesting project tied to it," he concluded.

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So effectively the Agents are saying (well not really but you get the drift) that no-one has been offered the Job at Juventus and Ciro's job is therefore not in the balance.

Yea, right. :hmm:

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The Reds boss is wanted in Italy...

Juventus look set to miss out on Guus Hiddink, who may take over at Liverpool, meaning Rafael Benitez will be free to join the Turin based club, according to Tuttosport.

The report suggests the underfire Spanish tactician is living in the shadows of Hiddink, who is wanted by the Anfield-based club. However, the move is unlikely to happen until the summer when both Juventus and Liverpool restructure.

Bianconeri coach Ciro Ferrara was recently given another lifeline by the board. They discussed his future on Wednesday, but decided to keep him following the Coppa Italia win over Napoli.

But things might change in May, depending on whether Ferrara delivers a Champions League place. Local media in Italy claims Benitez will subscribe to the idea of joining Juventus, with the coach speaking fluent Italian.

In England, The Daily Telegraph claims Benitez's future is not under any immediate threat, but this will be reviewed by the Reds at the end of the season.

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Why Juventus Top Four Failure Could Be Great News For Italian Football

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The Bianconeri have given up the box seat in the race for a top four spot with their recent run, but Kris Voakes believes their non-participation in next year’s Champions League may be no bad thing.

So the increasingly inevitable happened this past weekend, as Juventus’ recent slide continued and the Old Lady slipped out of the Champions League spots for the first time this season. But whilst the Bianconeri will still hope to qualify for Europe’s top competition, and go deep into the tournament next year, the inclusion of Napoli instead could be just what Italian football needs.

Juve have now won only three and lost seven of their last 10 fixtures in all competitions, sparking recriminations here, there and everywhere around Vinovo, with coach Ciro Ferrara and transfer guru Alessio Secco most under the spotlight. It is a far cry from the opening weeks of the season, when Ferrara’s side were showing some real flair on their way to four straight wins which put them clear of the pack at the top of Serie A, and fuelled talk of the Scudetto returning to the chests of those in black and white.

But now they appear utterly rudderless, and with a visit from former boss Claudio Ranieri’s resurgent Roma coming up this weekend, followed by a trip to Inter in the Coppa Italia, their plight could be about to get even worse. Defeat in those two games would see them drop five points behind the Giallorossi in the Champions League race and would leave them with only the Europa League to fight for if they are to carry home some silverware this summer. And they’re still eight games away from the final in that.

But despite Juventus being one of only three teams on the peninsula who could boast realistic hopes of winning Europe’s coveted crown anytime soon, a failure to represent Italy next year may actually bring greater long-term rewards for Serie A.

Yes, it’s undoubtedly true that there’s no greater publicity for a league than for one of it’s number to win the Champions League. Milan’s 2007 triumph was certainly one in the eye for detractors of Calcio after the scandals of the previous summer had overshadowed the national side’s World Cup win. But a repetitive theme amongst a country’s participants doesn’t do much for its league on a deeper basis.

Without wanting to compare leagues, which is a completely futile exercise in my book, the success of Fiorentina in the past two years, in first reaching the competition and then qualifying for its knockout stages, does more for Serie A itself than the repeated representation of the same four sides, as has happened in England for the past six years. So whilst appearances for Inter, Milan, Juve and Roma may increase hopes of ‘Old Big Ears’ being flown back to the boot from time to time, it may not be a winning formula for Serie A as a whole.

The Viola have qualified in the last two years at the expense of first Milan and then Roma, not only giving the outside world a greater flavour of what is available in the Italian league, but also allowing for the huge wealth which the Champions League brings to be spread more evenly. The qualification of a Napoli, a Palermo or even a Cagliari for next year’s edition can only be good news for Serie A.

Obviously, there is always the chance that a less experienced side will fall at the qualifying hurdle – England’s last two non-‘Big Four’ participants (Newcastle in 2003 and Everton in ’05) were both eliminated before the group stages – but there are no guarantees in football, as proven by Juve’s own elimination this season from a group they were tipped to win.

And this is not about promoting failure either. I am not saying that I’d love to see Juve fail in order for another side to get a Champions League invite instead of them. The Partenopei have gone on a magnificent run in the last 13 games, which has seen them negotiate the majority of teams in Serie A unharmed. They will no doubt meet with some resistance from the Bianconeri again before the season’s out, as well as being challenged by at least one more of the provincial clubs. But its always going to take the lowering of a bigger flag for such a side to qualify for Europe’s great event. And who would really want the Bianconeri in their current state representing Italy in any case? If they fail to make the cut, it will be because they’ve deserved to.

So if the current trend continues and Juventus do miss out on the top four, this Calcio fan for one will be more than happy. For not only will a less vaunted side get an invite to the Champions League, but the Bianconeri will also be forced to come back bigger and better in search of the continent’s biggest prize in the years that follow.

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Guus Hiddink Rejected Juventus Offer Because He Wanted €7 Million Per Season - Report

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Russian reports claim an offer was made, but rejected...

Guus Hiddink rejected the chance to coach Juventus despite a mega-money offer, according to reports in Russia.

The tabloid Tvoi Dien claims sources close to the Dutch coach revealed he declined Juve's offer of €3.5 million per season wages because it was way off what he earns with Russia - around €7m per year.

Hiddink was unprepared to lower his wage demands in order to take on the role in Turin after Ferrara had come under heavy fire.

However, news in Russia contrasts directly with what Hiddink's agent said on Wednesday. Cees van Nieuwenhuizen claimed there had never been any firm talks or offers from the clubs interested in the coach, namely Juventus and Liverpool.

"I have spoken to the representatives of four clubs and five national teams," the agent told Sovetskiy Sport.

"It's regarding all the teams that have been mentioned in the papers. From Liverpool to Juventus. In any case, like I have said before, there have not been any talks to take this further," he said, casting doubt as to whether a concrete offer existed.

Juve have always confirmed their faith in current coach Ciro Ferrara when questioned.

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Struggling stars face chop...

Felipe Melo, Amauri and David Trezeguet are just some of the players Juventus will be ousting in major summer changes that will see half of the squad kicked out.

La Gazzetta dello Sport reports Roberto Bettega has planned next year's squad and there will be wholesale changes.

Melo and Amauri will be sold in an attempt to recover some of the money Juventus paid for them. Trezeguet, Jonathan Zebina and Mauro Camoranesi are the second batch who have been crossed off the list.

Defenders Fabio Cannavaro and Fabio Grosso are uncertainties, and they will not be confirmed as part of future plans. Cristian Molinaro and Tiago, both out on loan, will not be coming back. Michele Paolucci will also leave after being called back from Siena in January.

Martin Caceres and Antonio Candreva represent obstacles. They may not be staying if Juventus fail to bring them in permanently from Barcelona and Udinese respectively.

Alessandro Del Piero, Giorgio Chiellini, Mohamed Sissoko, Sebastian Giovinco, Paolo De Ceglie, Alessandro Del Piero, Nicola Legrottaglie and Gianluigi Buffon will stay.

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Alessandro Del Piero, Giorgio Chiellini, Mohamed Sissoko, Sebastian Giovinco, Paolo De Ceglie, Alessandro Del Piero, Nicola Legrottaglie and Gianluigi Buffon will stay.


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Alessandro Del Piero, Giorgio Chiellini, Mohamed Sissoko, Sebastian Giovinco, Paolo De Ceglie, Alessandro Del Piero, Nicola Legrottaglie and Gianluigi Buffon will stay.


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Can we get them to clone Giovinco? I want him at United!

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The Bianconeri are thinking about making some changes at the top of the family tree...

Juventus are pondering a new triad-style leadership which would see Jean-Claude Blanc become chief executive, a role he is currently covering as president, Giuseppe Marotta as general director, and Roberto Bettega as a foreign affairs minister, according to Tuttosport.

The triad has been tried and tested before, proving successful when Antonio Giraudo, Luciano Moggi and Bettega led the club from 1994 to 2006 under the leadership of the late Umberto Agnelli, who was head of Juventus until his death in 2004.

Power would be shared across the three, working under a new president. Gianni Agnelli, son of Umberto, has been touted as a possible candidate for the presidency.

Blanc would be in charge of overseeing the stadium construction and he would deal with business and sponsorship affairs.

Marotta, arriving from Sampdoria, would have a hands-on role in the technical area, with transfers and first team management tasks assigned to him.

Bettega would work alongside Marotta, but would use his key contacts across Europe and UEFA to help with transfers and other foreign affairs.

John Elkann, head of Exor, the holding company that controls Juve, will meet company chiefs at their annual general assembly on Thursday, when he could roll out new plans for Juventus, including an overhaul on the current board.

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And to whom are Juve looking after missing out on Benitez? The Sun says that the Old Lady are 'preparing a dramatic bid to prise Roy Hodgson from Fulham.'

Hmm. We're not convinced by any means but it says here that, having been 'outwitted by Hodgson's men in the last 16 of the Europa League, Juventus now they see him as the ideal man to bring back the glory days.'

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Italian giants Juventus are keen to sign Dutch international winger Eljero Elia from German Bundesliga club Hamburg, according to latest reports.

La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that with CSKA Moscow's Milos Krasic looking increasingly difficult to recruit this summer, the Bianconeri are now trying to divert their attention elsewhere and have identified Elia as their main target.

The 23-year-old is massively talented and was part of the Dutch national team that reached the final of the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. It has been reported that Juve are willing to offer €12 million for Elia but Hamburg want no less than €15m.

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TURIN, Italy, May 21 (Reuters) - Juventus coach Luigi Del Neri has been sacked and will leave after Sunday’s final game of the season against Napoli, he said on Saturday.

“The club told me of their decision during the week,” Del Neri told a news conference.

Once mighty Juve have suffered a second straight season of woe and are currently seventh in Serie A with only an outside chance of a Europa League League spot.

Former Juve midfielder Antonio Conte, who led Siena to promotion to Serie A this term, is the bookmakers’ favourite to take over.

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Juve have signed Andrea Pirlo on a 3 year contract.

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Juve have signed Andrea Pirlo on a 3 year contract.

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Didn't RJ confirm this about 3 weeks ago.

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