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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:12 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Donald fkin Trump
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Hardly a surprise the momentum behind him over the last few months made the result obvious to me

Politics is a horrible business it's like the hype in a boxing fight they say all sorts about each other in the run up then be nice after the result.

Will be interested to see what he does can he actually make changes happen he's got very little political sway in america but he should have a majority in the house of representatives and congress.

He's promised a lot of things to a lot of people in his campaign so now he actually have to deliver and be held accountable on that.


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Said it a while ago (maybe even on here). I view the US election results in the same light as the Brexit result. The common man is f**ked off with the establishment and elite. Nearly all media, celebrities, economic 'experts' etc. said we should vote remain, the country would implode if we voted exit, we'd immediately enter a catastrophic recession. The public heard that and thought 'f**k you, what have you done for us, we want change and this is the only thing we can control'.

Similarly the mainstream media told us how Trump was a joke, Clinton was the only sensible choice, every single celebrity came out the woodwork to tell the people they need to vote Clinton, again the public heard it all and went the other way (by quite a margin). They voted for change.

I'm personally very interested to see what happens over there. He's such a wildcard, and the elite are scared as f**k about what he will do because they don't own him in the same way they owned Clinton. Make no mistake, under Clinton literally nothing would have changed. The big corporations wanted her because they sponsored her and knew they would continue to get things their way. Same with the big banks. Trump (afaik) hasn't been sponsored by any big corporations, he isn't in their pocket.

Also I'd love it if he incited criminal charges against Clinton. How every single FBI agent that investigated the email scandal recommended that she faced criminal charges, only for the head of the FBI to decide otherwise is beyond me. The FBI have become a laughing stock as a result.

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Trump has self funded his campaign but he's begged, borrowed and stole from banks all over the world in his business career so god knows who he owes favours to for business deals gone bad.

Trump to me is like Farage he claims to be out there representing for the working man but he's an independantly rich man who has never lived in the world these people live in so how can he understand their problems.

Trump has made himself money in business but how many others got rich off Trump? Decisions now need to be made in the interest of 350m people not just his own interests that will be his biggest challenge.

The Brexit & Trump thing to me are a good comparison people are sick of a political establishment that promises change and delivers nothing it's the same every time elections come around either here or in America. Brexit has made no change so far as we've spent months arguing over what it means and how to do it the country has ground to a bit of a stand still when it comes to bid decisions as legal challenges are now being made to it and we have a government full of MP's who didn't vote leave we've left ourselves in a bit of a mess really.

Trump has promised so many different things to so many different people his campaign was the same as the leave campaign that change must be good and because it's all theoretical what might happen you can't prove either way what might happen all you know is that if you vote remain or Clinton things probably stay the same which isn't good enough for some people.

My guess is he'll walk away in 4 years time having achieved very little by claiming that his hands were tied by Washington red tape and we'll be here still trying to understand what brexit means brexit actually means because somewhere along the line we've got to accept that we made it up as a word so it has no literal meaning :laugh:

Serb on the mainstream media it really depends on where you're getting your media from everyone has an agenda from the left leaning Guardion to the right wing Daily Mail on TV they tend to try and sit as best they can in the middle although channel 4 definetly goes more toward the left with it's agenda. Trump has had plenty of support not just here but also in America


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Brexit literally means 'the withdrawal of the UK from the European Union' making it the first word in the English language to be defined by itself.

If you're unsure of what I'm on about I'm just playing on the word literally. Ring used as its the latest word to be added to the dictionary.

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I think the problem generally is that a lot of people on the left unfortunately come across as sanctimonious wankers. It's often for comedians, the satirists etc.. Because they're being funny and appealing to their audience they can come across as snobbish and arrogant. They're usually intelligent and don't mind showing it. The "common man" if that's what you want to call them hate that. I think they see it as the self-aggrandising sneering snobs saying "look here idiots, we know best, you have to be stupid/racist/mental to think like you do". Which in fairness is probably true a lot of the time.. But not always and it's not exactly an argument that will win the people round.

I mean I was heavily remain, and cannot bear the thought of Trump in charge.. But even I often sat watching things and reading things thinking "oh fuck off you wankers, you're giving them more reason to vote right wing".

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I think people are just sick of a system that doesn't bring any change if you're on low income in America you are stuffed as you get very little help from the state and with the private sector not really creating lots of jobs anymore people get stuck in a system. I just don't see how Trump can change that the concept of jobs for the masses in countries like America and even here in UK dosn't really work when you've got countries like China who have a billion people prepared to work for pennies unless we the consumer agree to pay a little more to buy American or British to subsidise these industries it isn't going to work.

From what I've read/watched most suggest the democrats only really have themselves to blame as people in American really don't like Hilary all this email stuff was always going to linger and as a result they lost a lot of their own voters to the other side whereas the republican voters mainly stuck with Trump even if they don't particularly like him.


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Trump's campaign received a ton of money from various right wing Super PACs. So, no. He didn't fund his campaign solely out of his own pocket.

He's received substantial amounts from various business links. For example, he owns shares in the companies that are pushing through the Dakota oil pipe line. They, in turn, funded his campaign.

The worst thing is though, how must this make you feel if you are a woman? Trump has shown that you can treat women in the most disrespectful, degrading way and society will turn a blind eye.

The US is still keen for Assange to face trial for rape. I wonder if the women who have accused Trump of similar actions will get as much support from America if they pursue their accusations?


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He is gonna wage more war to already war-hungry country ...

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No matter who was elected, the US will always be at war with someone. With Clinton you could see Cold War Mk. II coming. With Trump that's less likely. I'm sure they'll find someone else to wage war on though.

O-Dog, do you have a source for his funding? I'd be interested to read it. I googled it but without an in-depth knowledge of US political funding I don't really know what I'm looking for. Opensecrets listed his funding as 0.99% coming from PAC's and the remaining 99.01% coming from donations.

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Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street of putting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be a "great" ambassador.

The UKIP leader said No 10 needed to accept "the world has changed", adding he was "in a good position, with the president-elect's support, to help".

Mr Trump had tweeted that "many people" would like to see Mr Farage in the role and he would do a "great job".

But No 10 said there was "no vacancy".

The role is currently held by Sir Kim Darroch and a spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May added that he was "an excellent ambassador who only took up post in January and traditionally they serve four years or even longer".

Mr Farage, who is currently UKIP interim leader, was the first British politician to meet Mr Trump after his victory in the US presidential elections and spoke in support of him at an election rally.

Writing for Breitbart website, whose former executive chairman Stephen Bannon has been appointed Mr Trump's chief strategist, he said: "At every stage I am greeted by negative comments coming out of Downing Street.

"The dislike of me, UKIP, and the referendum result is more important to them than what could be good for our country."

Mr Farage said politicians who had been "openly abusive about Trump now pretend to be his friend".

He wrote: "It is career politics at its worst and it is now getting in the way of the national interest.

"I have said since the now famous photograph with Donald Trump 10 days ago that I would do anything to help our national interest and to help cement ties with the incoming Anglophile administration.

"I have known several of the Trump team for years and I am in a good position with the president-elect's support to help. The world has changed and it's time that Downing Street did too."



Bet Piers Morgan is gutted he didn't get Trumps endorsement

Farage is a f*cking parasite he's not even an elected member of government think he's failed 5 times to be elected as an MP and he's twice resigned as the leader of his own party he should be concentrating on forcing through the Brexit stuff he campaigned for at home and trying to build support for his party so they can win some seats in the next election.

He needs to stop sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong stop trying to get a job that isn't even up for grabs I'm sure if the government want you're help they'll ask for it he's just after some cushy job where he can earn a wage and feel important he can't handle the fact that after all he's done he still has no power

I'd suggest we concentrate on sorting out sh*t out with Europe first rather than worrying about what this nutcase is going to do in America nothing we say is going to influence him in anyway.


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US President-elect Donald Trump has asserted he won the popular vote on 8 November "if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally".

The Republican, who won the all-important electoral college count, offered no evidence to back his claim.

It comes after the camp of Democratic rival Hillary Clinton said it would support a vote recount in Wisconsin initiated by a Green Party candidate.

Mrs Clinton won about two million votes more than Mr Trump in the popular vote.

However, Mr Trump surpassed the required 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. This was based on the state-by-state contests.

In a tweet, he wrote: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

In his follow-up tweets, the Republican wrote: "It would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular vote than in the Electoral College in that I would only campaign in 3 or 4 states instead of the 15 states that I visited."

"I would have won even more easily and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!"

Mr Trump also alleged "serious voter fraud" in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - states won by Mrs Clinton - accusing US media of not reporting on that issue.

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Is there any evidence of illegal votes?
■Donald Trump offered no evidence himself
■Claim was started by self-styled conservative voter fraud specialist Greg Phillips who tweeted "Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million"
■Mr Phillips declined to release any evidence
■His tweets were picked up by right-wing websites like Infowars.com, which has made false claims in the past
■Fact-checking website Snopes.com says there is "zero evidence" that "illegal aliens" voted in election

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Earlier on Sunday, the president-elect reminded his Democratic rival that she had already admitted defeat, and published remarks from the presidential debates in which she had urged an acceptance of the poll results.

At the time, Mrs Clinton was reacting to Mr Trump's refusal to respect the outcome.

Mr Trump narrowly beat the Democratic candidate in Wisconsin, where a recount of the votes was initiated last week by Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

Dr Stein also wants recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania, citing "statistical anomalies".

Concerns over possible Russian interference had been expressed in the run-up to the vote.

The US government has said Russian state actors were behind hacks on the Democratic National Committee, a claim denied by Moscow.

Results would need to be overturned in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to alter the outcome of the November presidential election - something analysts say is highly unlikely.

Mrs Clinton's campaign has said it will participate in Wisconsin's recount.

Her campaign's general counsel, Marc Elias, said there was no evidence to conclude the election had been sabotaged, but "we have an obligation to the more than 64 million Americans who cast ballots for Hillary Clinton to participate in ongoing proceedings to ensure that an accurate vote count will be reported".


You'd think the fact that he won would be enough why bother getting yourself into all this stuff as by suggesting people voted illegally surely means the whole result would need to be questioned especially when it's an allegation made by someone who's refusing to say what his allegation was based on.


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