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 Post subject: Re: Is There Any Hope For Society?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:53 pm 
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Better make it quick, mate. I'm redundant around mid September - can't bloody wait, to be honest :fonz:

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 Post subject: Re: Is There Any Hope For Society?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:57 pm 
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Willie Eckerslike wrote:
Better make it quick, mate. I'm redundant around mid September - can't bloody wait, to be honest :fonz:


Not sure whether to be sorry for you or happy for you :lol:

Guessing you're gonna be ok with it, so congrats :D

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 Post subject: Re: Is There Any Hope For Society?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:03 pm 
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No doubt this government has an agenda against benefits they believe in small government and the current system has become massively bloated under labour who did very little to repair the long term damage caused by previous government in terms of British Industry.

The media paint the picture of people taking the p*ss and scrounging but the reality is a lot of people are stuck in a system there's nothing wrong with giving people a confidence boost to try and get them to make more out of their circumstances. One of the hardest things to do in life is change a routine no matter how small we are creatures of habbit.

What really needs to be sorted out is the stigma that is being attached to British workers who are seen as idle or lazy in comparison to people from Eastern Europe the imagine the media portrays can't be helpful. There needs to be a proper attitude change young people because the reality is if you've f*cked up your grades at school by the time you're 16 a lot of doors are closed to you in the work place.

The UK probably faces another round of immigration when the new countries join the EU and their people can take advantage of freedom of movement and despite what some say these people will be coming here looking to work and send the money they make back home.


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 Post subject: Re: Is There Any Hope For Society?
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:09 pm 
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No doubt this government has an agenda against benefits they believe in small government and the current system has become massively bloated under labour who did very little to repair the long term damage caused by previous government in terms of British Industry.

The media paint the picture of people taking the p*ss and scrounging but the reality is a lot of people are stuck in a system there's nothing wrong with giving people a confidence boost to try and get them to make more out of their circumstances. One of the hardest things to do in life is change a routine no matter how small we are creatures of habbit.

What really needs to be sorted out is the stigma that is being attached to British workers who are seen as idle or lazy in comparison to people from Eastern Europe the imagine the media portrays can't be helpful. There needs to be a proper attitude change young people because the reality is if you've f*cked up your grades at school by the time you're 16 a lot of doors are closed to you in the work place.

The UK probably faces another round of immigration when the new countries join the EU and their people can take advantage of freedom of movement and despite what some say these people will be coming here looking to work and send the money they make back home.


We're all in this together remember? That's why the rich get a tax cut, the very poorest pay the most money back towards this fabricated debt (borrow from the banks, give it them back, them begin repayments? Hmm... :hmm: ) and all while the bankers still get their bonuses paid out from the tax-payer bailout money. Forget which political party did what, New Labour = Conservative anyway and the LibDems have proved no better. We have no choice currently, that's why we need a none of these box to tick on ballot forms, but that's another debate entirely.

I wouldn't blame immigration either, though it doesn't help. The government choose who comes in, not that they probably even keep count, but that's entirely deliberate too as it provides a workforce who'll often sign away their rights to work for less than minimum wage. Pure greed and sod the consequences - so long as they're getting what the government/big business want. And as for sending money home, it can't be a tiny fraction as much tax as is currently being avoided by the biggest companies like Vodafone, Amazon, Google, etc.



Benefit cuts have been severe, we're talking 25% and larger cuts in people's income when they were barely surviving anyway, along with even more outgoings EG 100% council tax rebate has been abolished, max. award is now 70% leaving many on benefits with a bill for £200-£300+ in even the lowest, cheapest bands, while the bedroom tax which costs £14 a week extra for a spare room despite one bedroom properties not being available in many areas so that's another £700+ a year... and all out of a reduced income of just £71.70 (over 25s) or £56.80 (under 25s).


The government propaganda slandering the out of work is shameful really, considering it's not a choice for most people. Who here would swap their current wages for the benefits quoted above? Imagine how much worse your life would be getting paid, paying your bills and being totally penniless, having to stay in every day, never getting new things, no Sky TV, not being able to put the heating on when it's freezing cold, or even eating decent food.

Do you fancy it? Nor would anybody who could help it. There'll always be a few wasters that need extra help, but the vast majority who don't work it's because there are no jobs in their area and if you have no money you can't move to a different area either.

This current trend to make them out to be an evil, scrounging disease is divisive just for the sake of it. It already was looked down upon in working class areas not to work, but that changed when there were no jobs available and it widely affected the hard working majority.

While there's nothing wrong with a confidence boost, this is actually illegal under the DWP's own rules on how they can use the jobseekers directives or whatever they're called, those compulsory commands issued under the threat of a cut in or loss of benefits for a period of time. There was no explanation why, and it clearly won't help anyone get a job!

Just for the sake of argument, let's say it all works as planned and every single jobseeker gets forced to do the test and does get a small confidence boost... nobody would be better off if they all get the same boost they'd still all be in the same positions as they are now!

They've since added a few lines of code to stop you not leaving the boxes blank and having it still work, but they're still threatening people's incomes with a random comment generator! Can anyone put themselves in the shoes of the unemployed? Worrying people to death over how they'll pay the rent and eat and what will happen to them etc. for the sake of a few random comments is nothing short of a f**king disgrace.


You hit the nail on the head though imo, provide some jobs for these people and they'll go to work. Persecuting the out of work serves no useful purpose that I can see, especially when that includes people who aren't well enough to work.

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