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It's impossible to put an accurate price on their contribution to tourism.

Could you not argue that tourists flock to London because its one of the biggest cities in the world with many landmarks?

For me the royals have enough money to not require state support we should only pay for state visits such as flights/accomodation. Sign the properties over to them and say they have to remain open to the public and be maintained to a certain level. Any profit they can make off them they're welcome to keep.

I don't really give 2 sh*ts about the royal family but they have enough wealth to support themselves for the next 100 years. As for the power they to veto law what was the last law they actually intervened on? They will always side with the commons/lords decision


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I was speaking to an American earlier he said "The main thing's we hear about England over hear in the news is about your royal family"

I had two visitors over from NY in May and the first thing they wanted to do was go and see Buckingham Palace.

Which btw is way over rated. I hadn't seen it before I went in May and it's not really that impressive!!

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They are Americans though they're obsessed with the British class system something they've tried to replicate in their own country throughout history.

You could argue that huge chunks of the world are obsessed with GB from colonial times when we used to own 1/3 of the world.

Premier League football teams also bring in 1,000's of tourists every week to watch games.

How important is tourism to the UK economy outside of London you don't find many back packers or weekend visitors from abroad.

They certainly don't come for the weather :laugh:


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The fact we still have a royal family which can veto laws made by democratically elected representatives is something that's genuinely worrying for society

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/1 ... veto-bills

In a time where people who live off taxpayers money are being targeted it's about time these parasites were got rid of.



You're not wrong, it's staggering they still retain the power they do, especially the one to take us to war. What's just as bad is that they tried to hide this stuff and it took a court order to get access to the information. :hmm:

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The extent of the Queen and Prince Charles's secretive power of veto over new laws has been exposed after Downing Street lost its battle to keep information about its application secret.

Whitehall papers prepared by Cabinet Office lawyers show that overall at least 39 bills have been subject to the most senior royals' little-known power to consent to or block new laws. They also reveal the power has been used to torpedo proposed legislation relating to decisions about the country going to war.

The internal Whitehall pamphlet was only released following a court order and shows ministers and civil servants are obliged to consult the Queen and Prince Charles in greater detail and over more areas of legislation than was previously understood.

The new laws that were required to receive the seal of approval from the Queen or Prince Charles cover issues from higher education and paternity pay to identity cards and child maintenance.


39 times - and they're just the ones we know about. It's disgraceful, but previously it kept the masses angry with the government instead of calling for the Queen's head... hopefully people will now realise what they actually do here though, and it's not what I'd call tourism - it's ruling.

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In a time where people who live off taxpayers money are being targeted it's about time these parasites were got rid of.

Parasites?

However it cannot be denied that the money they generate in terms of Tourism to these isles is vast.

Therefore I am of the opinion let them do as they please.


I doubt it's that much... tourists would still be happy to come and see the former home of the Queen, they do it all the time with stately homes etc. so a palace would still be quite an attraction imo.

They already do as they please, that's the problem!

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It's impossible to put an accurate price on their contribution to tourism.

Could you not argue that tourists flock to London because its one of the biggest cities in the world with many landmarks?

As for the power they to veto law what was the last law they actually intervened on? They will always side with the commons/lords decision


Agreed, you always hear this tourism thing but if they just left the jewels that'd be attraction enough for many tourists to still visit as they tour London.

Looking through the examples given in this PDF Page 22 in my PDF reader but numbered 18 on the document, it appears they've intervened over the course of the past 10+ years or so right up to the present day, well 2012, on various topics such as council tax and business rates, Queen’s consent was required for the bills for the Local Government Finance Act 1992, the Rating (Empty Properties) Act 2007 and the Business Rate Supplements Act 2009.

There's a long list of 'em.

And their interfering is ongoing by the sounds of it.

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Didn't even care until they saw it being filmed, did they? And talk about way over the top. :stop:

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Just found out there was a stabbing round the corner from me in the early hours of this morning. 21 year old man in custody after a stand off. Just 21... life was just starting. :(

I know it's more common in bigger cities, but it's still big news around here, just a symptom of the wider social problems the areas has had forced upon it. Very sad.

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Stuff like that is always shocking mate, especially when it's right on your doorstep. Just along the road from me a police officer got run down during a routine traffic stop a few months ago, they found the car, but never the driver.

You never expect these things to happen that close to home.

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We've had a few incidents in my town most of it is drug related between local dealers it's just a savage part of modern society.

The scary thing is the age of some of the people involved I'm 26 and all the victims of the last 2 or 3 incidents have been younger than me


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We've had a few incidents in my town most of it is drug related between local dealers it's just a savage part of modern society.

The scary thing is the age of some of the people involved I'm 26 and all the victims of the last 2 or 3 incidents have been younger than me


Not got the details yet, but I'd confidently bet a sizeable wad that it was drug related also. Doesn't sound like West Yorkshire police have much clue though, as they're appealing for information. Don't think they've even ID'd the victim yet.

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Stuff like that is always shocking mate, especially when it's right on your doorstep. Just along the road from me a police officer got run down during a routine traffic stop a few months ago, they found the car, but never the driver.

You never expect these things to happen that close to home.


You're not wrong. Murder rates are at a 30 year low according to a crime survey for England and Wales, but it is still a bit of a shock when it's so close to home.

Apparently the knifeman was still stabbing away at the body for a while after the police got there, they couldn't get access to the upstairs balcony (they're maisonettes) so eventually they stormed it. My mate even heard the shouting but just assumed it was the pub crowd on the way home from the local.

The unnamed victim was only 24.

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You're not wrong. Murder rates are at a 30 year low according to a crime survey for England and Wales, but it is still a bit of a shock when it's so close to home.

Apparently the knifeman was still stabbing away at the body for a while after the police got there, they couldn't get access to the upstairs balcony (they're maisonettes) so eventually they stormed it. My mate even heard the shouting but just assumed it was the pub crowd on the way home from the local.

The unnamed victim was only 24.


Crime is always something that we assume happens far away in horrible places, suppose that's part of getting by day to day because if you focused on things like that and thought it could happen to you then you'd never go outside the house.

Eventually stormed it? Surely they should've been straight in there regardless?

Sounds pretty horrific, and 24 is no age at all :no:

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Bogus gov online test tells people on dole they're just SO employable

'Devised by sinister US TORTURE PROF' yells angry blogger


By Jasper Hamill • The Register



Bloggers have discovered that the Department for Work and Pensions is using an obviously defective personality test in a bid to get jobseekers off the dole and into work.

The psychometric test in question is supposedly designed to assess an unemployed person’s “signature strengths”. However, it was actually primed to give nothing but positive statements regarding the user's employability, regardless of whether any information was input at all.

Apparently inspired by the writings of Martin Seligman - the prof whose work in torturing dogs with electric shocks later influenced development of American "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding in the War On Terror - the DWP's new test was initially used to assess the personalities of dole claimants in Loughton, Essex. Now, however, it appears to be being used across the country.

The programme was created by the government's Behavioural Insights Team (also known as the "nudge unit") - a shadowy and ever-so-slightly ludicrous Cabinet Office department which uses behavioural economics and psychological techniques to create a supposedly better society.

Rather than getting people to do what the government would like them to do by way of raising taxes, imposing threats of prison and withholding state support, citizens must be nudged into taking the "right" action, the unit suggests.

Pseudonymous socialist blogger Skwawkbox discovered the faulty test, which tells those taking it that they're great employment material no matter what answers they input (this includes not inputting any answers at all). He blogs against the government's welfare reforms and described the test as “sinister psychological bullying", and indeed went as far as using a pic of an individual being waterboarded to show the torture being inflicted on the jobless.

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[The test] is being used as a tool to manipulate and intimidate terrified benefit-claimants, with the result that many could lose benefits simply for not being computer-literate, or even literate at all. That this is being done in a context of claimants committing suicide because of the fear of losing their benefits is utterly immoral.


The personality pop quiz works by asking people to rate a series of statements on a scale of 1 to 5. These include cheery lines such as:

“I am rarely as excited about the good fortune of others as I am about my own”
“When the topic calls for it, I can be a highly rational thinker"
“I have not created anything of beauty in the last year”

It then provides a meaningless summary of the character traits indicated by the answers.

If you click through without answering a single question, as Skwawkbox did, the system still praises your “love of learning, curiosity and originality” and your apparent capacity for “critical thinking”.

El Reg took the test and deliberately chose the most negative answers. This should have painted a picture of a sociopathic layabout who is violently opposed to work, totally devoid of intellect and incapable of treating other people with anything but venomous contempt.

Having done our best to screw up, the test said our answers revealed the following strengths:

Strength 1. Perspective. Although you may not think of yourself as wise, your friends hold this view of you. They value your advice on matters. You have a way of looking at the world that makes sense to others and to yourself.

Strength 2. Kindness. You are kind and generous to others, and you are never too busy to do a favour. You enjoy doing good deeds for others, even if you do not know them well.

Strength 3. Gratitude. You are aware of the good things that happen to you, and you never take them for granted. Your friends and family members know that you are a grateful person because you always take the time to express your thanks.

Clicking straight through without answering a single question gave a similar set of responses.

Although the DWP said the test had only been used in Essex, The Register has seen a letter to a jobseeker in Middlesbrough, telling them to complete the questionnaire and try to make use of the "signature strengths" it highlighted in the search for employment (perhaps by cutting and pasting them into application forms?)

“Failure to comply with this direction may result in loss of benefit,” the letter warned. It linked to the questionnaire, which is hosted on a website called The Behaviour Library that now contains no other content.

The results of the test should be taken to the nearest JobCentre Plus for discussion with advisors, the DWP's letter continued.

Apparently the questions were “scientifically shown to find people’s strengths”, with a reference to Seligman’s book Character Strengths and Virtues: A Handbook and Classification.

Since The Register phoned the Department of Work and Pensions for a comment, the test appears to have been fixed up a bit in that you can no longer simply click through and get results without answering any questions.

The department's spokesperson said:

"Jobseekers were asked to use the website as part of a trial aimed at improving the support given to them by Jobcentres. It is an evidence-based test, which has been shown to improve their chances of getting into work.”

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Seriously? They're threatening jobseekers they'd better take the test or else, then demanding they go in and discuss the results... of the totally random fortune-cookie / horroscope comments generator? :blink:

As I've seen said elsewhere, I fear that this will be used as yet another way to bash people claiming benefits. You can see it now: "well you had a 'good' assessment with the test yet you still haven't got a job yet, so you can't really be trying, so we'll sanction you by cutting your benefits..." etc. :no:

If only the government put half as much time, effort and money behind creating some jobs. :wall:

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While this test is clearly not the answer, there is a need to get people motivated to look for work.

Job hunting is a soul destroying thing, I spent 5 months doing it, and potential employers don't help anything by ignoring 95% of the applications they receive.

After you've had a job application ignored for the 100th time you get pretty demoralised, and it's very easy to just resign yourself to unemployment and settle in on benefits.

Making people feel positive and motivated could help to change that, if people feel like they have some strengths then it'll give them a bit of hope back.

Now obviously this test is a complete mess, and isn't actually designed to assess people's real strengths and weaknesses, so it's a waste of time.

If they could come up with something that actually does the job that they claim this does then maybe it would be a good thing.

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While this test is clearly not the answer, there is a need to get people motivated to look for work.

Job hunting is a soul destroying thing, I spent 5 months doing it, and potential employers don't help anything by ignoring 95% of the applications they receive.

After you've had a job application ignored for the 100th time you get pretty demoralised, and it's very easy to just resign yourself to unemployment and settle in on benefits.

Making people feel positive and motivated could help to change that, if people feel like they have some strengths then it'll give them a bit of hope back.

Now obviously this test is a complete mess, and isn't actually designed to assess people's real strengths and weaknesses, so it's a waste of time.

If they could come up with something that actually does the job that they claim this does then maybe it would be a good thing.


So very true. I ALWAYS acknowledge any CV or enquiry for a vacancy. It's only polite. If they have taken the time to write to you, the least you can do is respond. Bloody ignorance otherwise. :|

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So very true. I ALWAYS acknowledge any CV or enquiry for a vacancy. It's only polite. If they have taken the time to write to you, the least you can do is respond. Bloody ignorance otherwise. :|


I applaud you for that, it's a far better attitude than most employers have.

I had a bit of a row with my boss a few years ago about this. His son was job hunting at the time, and my boss was moaning that people kept ignoring applications, which was something I empathised with.

Then after hiring a new member of staff he decided that he couldn't be bothered informing the unsuccessful candidates, and couldn't see the hypocrisy in moaning about people doing that to his son, and then doing it himself to others.

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And it's this that is one of the underlying problems - if you can't be bothered with people who are interested in you, then you tend to ignore - or give short focus to - your actual working staff. It's this type of employer that thinks of his/her workers as "just a number", until they leave and then he/she thinks "Cr*p ! - why?" and realises that they themselves may just have to do some work. :no:

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And it's this that is one of the underlying problems - if you can't be bothered with people who are interested in you, then you tend to ignore - or give short focus to - your actual working staff. It's this type of employer that thinks of his/her workers as "just a number", until they leave and then he/she thinks "Cr*p ! - why?" and realises that they themselves may just have to do some work. :no:

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Willie Eckerslike wrote:
And it's this that is one of the underlying problems - if you can't be bothered with people who are interested in you, then you tend to ignore - or give short focus to - your actual working staff. It's this type of employer that thinks of his/her workers as "just a number", until they leave and then he/she thinks "Cr*p ! - why?" and realises that they themselves may just have to do some work. :no:


Willie, can you come around and have a chat with my boss please? You seem to know him very well!! :lol:

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