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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:52 pm 
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Excuse me . Was a bit too emotional .And sometimes it is a bit difficult to realise what is counted as swearing .
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No worries guys just a polite reminder as it can block the site for people who might be logging on at work etc because of internet filters :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:26 am 
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pakrooney wrote:
Who then Reedo ??? about 200km deviation ..


I have not heard once that the route was altered in any way.. I'm sure it would've been big news if that was the case.

Plane finder/radar etc shown the flight route going straight to destination, as normal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... e-minister

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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:32 pm 
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Reedo wrote:
pakrooney wrote:
Who then Reedo ??? about 200km deviation ..


I have not heard once that the route was altered in any way.. I'm sure it would've been big news if that was the case.

Plane finder/radar etc shown the flight route going straight to destination, as normal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... e-minister


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On the matter of MH17’s flight path, Malaysian Airlines confirms that the pilot was instructed to fly at a lower altitude by the Kiev air traffic control tower upon its entry into Ukraine airspace.

”MH17 filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian airspace. This is close to the ‘optimum’ altitude.

However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft.”

( For further details see press releases at : http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html)

33,000 feet is 1000 feet above the restricted flight altitude (see image below). The request of the Ukrainian air traffic control authorities was implemented.


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Deviation from the “Normal” Approved Flight Path

With regard to the MH17 flight path, Malaysian airlines confirms that it followed the rules set by Eurocontrol and the International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAO) (emphasis added):

I would like to refer to recent reported comments by officials from Eurocontrol, the body which approves European flight paths under ICAO rules.According to the Wall Street Journal, the officials stated that some 400 commercial flights, including 150 international flights crossed eastern Ukraine daily before the crash. Officials from Eurocontrol also stated that in the two days before the incident, 75 different airlines flew the same route as MH17.MH17’s flight path was a busy major airway, like a highway in the sky. It followed a route which was set out by the international aviation authorities, approved by Eurocontrol, and used by hundreds of other aircraft.

It flew at an altitude set, and deemed safe, by the local air traffic control. And it never strayed into restricted airspace. [this MAS statement is refuted by recent evidence]

The flight and its operators followed the rules. But on the ground, the rules of war were broken. In an unacceptable act of aggression, it appears that MH17 was shot down; its passengers and crew killed by a missile.

The route over Ukrainian airspace where the incident occurred is commonly used for Europe to Asia flights. A flight from a different carrier was on the same route at the time of the MH17 incident, as were a number of other flights from other carriers in the days and weeks before. Eurocontrol maintains records of all flights across European airspace, including those across Ukraine.

What this statement confirms is that the MH17 ‘s “usual flight path” was similar to the flight paths of some 150 international flights which cross Eastern Ukraine on a daily basis. According to Malaysian Airlines “The usual flight route [across the sea of Azov] was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. The International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.”

That approved flight path is indicated in the maps below.

The regular flight path of MH17 (and other international flights) over a period of ten days prior to July 17th ( day of the disaster), crossing Eastern Ukraine in a Southeasterly direction is across the Sea of Azov. (see map below)

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The flight path on July 17th was changed.

The flight and its operators followed the rules. But on the ground, the rules of war were broken. In an unacceptable act of aggression, it appears that MH17 was shot down; its passengers and crew killed by a missile. (MAS, ibid)

While the audio records of the MH17 flight have been confiscated by the Kiev government, the order to change the flight path did not come from Eurocontrol.

Did this order to change the flight path come from the Ukrainian authorities? Was the pilot instructed to change course?

British Media Fabrications: “Lets Conjure Up a Storm”

British news reports acknowledge that there was a change in the flight path, claiming without evidence that it was to “avoid thunderstorms in southern Ukraine”.

MAS operations director Captain Izham Ismail has also refuted claims that heavy weather led to MH17 changing its flight plan.“There were no reports from the pilot to suggest that this was the case,” Izham said. (News Malaysia July 20, 2014)

What is significant, however, is that the Western media acknowledged that the change in the flight path did occur, and the that “heavy weather” narrative is a fabrication.

Ukraine Fighter Jets in a Corridor Reserved for Commercial Aircraft

It is worth noting that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles was detected within 5-10 km of the Malaysian aircraft, within an air corridor reserved for commercial aircraft.

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What was the purpose of this air force deployment? Was the Ukraine fighter jet “escorting” the Malaysian aircraft in a Northerly direction towards the war zone?

The change in the flight path for Malaysian airlines MH17 on July 17 is clearly indicated in the map below. It takes MH17 over the war zone, namely Donetsk and Lugansk.

Comparison: MH17 Flight Path on July 16, 2014, MH17 Flight Path Over the warzone on July 17, 2014

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Screenshots of Flight Paths of MH17 for July 14-17, 2014

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The first dynamic map compares the two flight paths: The second flight path which is that of July 17th takes the plane over the Donesk oblast warzone, bordering onto Lugansk oblast.

The four static images indicate screen shots of the Flight Paths of MH17 for the period July 14-17, 2014

The information conveyed in these maps suggests that the flight path on July 17 was changed.

MH17 was diverted from the normal South Easterly route over the sea of Azov to a path over the Donetsk oblast.

Who ordered the change of the flight path?

We call upon Malaysian Airlines to clarify its official statement and demand the release of the audio files between the pilot and the Kiev air traffic control tower.

The transcript of these audio files should be made public.

Also to be confirmed: was the Ukrainian SU-25 jet fighter in communication with the M17 aircraft?

The evidence confirms that the flight path on July 17th was NOT the usual approved flight path. It had been changed.

The change was not ordered by Eurocontrol.

Who was behind this changed flight path which spearheaded the aircraft into the war zone, resulting in 298 deaths?

What was the reason for the change in flight path?

The damage incurred to Malaysian Airlines as a result of these two tragic occurrences must also be addressed. Malaysian airlines has high safety standards and an outstanding record.

These two accidents are part of a criminal undertaking. They are not the result of negligence on the part of Malaysian Airlines, which potentially faces bankruptcy.

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Russia's Defense Ministry presented its first detailed account of the final moments of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, saying Russian radar had spotted a second aircraft in the vicinity shortly before the crash and that satellite imagery showed Ukraine had moved missile systems into the area before the incident.

At a news conference, air force chief Igor Makushev didn't say who the ministry thought had fired the missile that apparently brought down the airliner on Thursday.

But the version he presented followed message conveyed on Russian state television in recent days in which Ukraine is blamed for shooting down the plane, possibly from a fighter jet.

Ukrainian and Western officials have said they have evidence that points to pro-Russia rebels in Ukraine's east shooting down MH17, possibly with a missile system provided by Russia. Moscow has denied this.

In an elaborate presentation displaying radar and satellite imagery, Mr Makushev said it was likely that the second airplane was a Ukrainian fighter jet. He also showed satellite photos allegedly portraying several Buk ground-to-air missile systems in the area close to where the plane crashed.

The systems, he said, could only belong to the Ukrainian military. Ukraine has accused Russia of giving the rebels a Buk system, with which they then shot down the passenger jet.

Mr Makushev said the airplane deviated from its course by 14 kilometres, but then attempted to return to its course, before crashing shortly after.

He said Russia is prepared to hand all of the information it has to European authorities, which included satellite imagery and data from its own radars.

Russian President Vladimir Putin came under scrutiny from the West following the plane crash but responded swiftly with multiple statements blaming Ukraine for instability in the region that, he said, caused the crash.
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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:06 pm 
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Got to love a conspiracy theory.

Must be something the British news ignored, even though the article suggests it was mentioned here.

So I was wrong about it not sticking to it's recent route, but the route is still commonly used by many other flights. Probably MH17 in the past has done this also (article only shows recent flights).

If Malaysian spokespersons are saying they were happy with it's route, then it doesn't sound suspicious to me. I'd tend to believe them over someone who has too much time on their hands writing all of the above.

As a side note, I love how that picture says 'not to scale' :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:56 am 
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I saw a flight path diagram for that day, 3 or 4 flights took that route. They also had an ex M.A. pilot on the radio. He said the pilot along with the airline, plot the route prior to take off.


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 Post subject: Re: Malaysia Airlines
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:27 pm 
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Reedo wrote:
Got to love a conspiracy theory.

Must be something the British news ignored, even though the article suggests it was mentioned here.

So I was wrong about it not sticking to it's recent route, but the route is still commonly used by many other flights. Probably MH17 in the past has done this also (article only shows recent flights).

If Malaysian spokespersons are saying they were happy with it's route, then it doesn't sound suspicious to me. I'd tend to believe them over someone who has too much time on their hands writing all of the above.

As a side note, I love how that picture says 'not to scale' :lol:



Lolz ! conspiracy theory ??

* Russians have shown satellite images of Ukraine fighter plane (press conference held by defense minister)
* We know MH17 was instructed to fly at 33000 rather than requested 35000 (available on malaysian airline) , when you are instructed by Air traffic authority you have to follow them its not that you are happy or your moods decides what to do .
* No manpad can target over 13000 feet , so it remains disputable whether rebles had bulk-missile system or not ? So far no evident from Ukraine
* Yes lot of flights flew over that region but at 33000 feet ? and you have determine now the flight plan/route deviated ..
* Biritish news ignored lot of things (pro zionist agenda, i must state it has nothing to do with jews / chrisitian completely diff ) , just look at their reporting on Gaza ..
*Im not Russian agent trying to defend them .. but media is portraying one side of story .. end off

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