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 Post subject: Re: Portugal v Spain
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:12 pm 
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I really shouldn't be watching. But I'm engrossed. :ninja:

Portugal giving as good as they get. Nani and Ronaldo have been impressive, as have Moutinho, Veloso and Meireles. They're putting up a surprising fight against the Spanish pass-masters. England could learn a few lessons in closing down from the Portuguese.


I wondered how long you could resist. :D

90 minutes off studying will do you good* anyway.

Definitely. I wonder if the England players and Woy especially are learning a lesson here, attack has always been the best form of defence... if you've got the nuts to go for it.


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I guess so. Good excuse. :p :thumbup:

Hugo Almeida is awful. Greedy, no composure, and awful finishing. Portugal could've been leading if they had a half-decent striker.

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Some awful free kicks from Ronaldo tonight. Not uncommon..blew a big chance there too.

1 shot on target each...pretty damn poor.

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Still can't believe Spain have 2 holding players on the pitch neither really influencing the game.

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Portugal 0 v Spain 0

Spain win 4-2 on penalties


By Ben Smith BBC Sport


Cesc Fabregas was the hero again as Spain kept alive their hopes of defending the European title with a dramatic shootout win in Dontesk.

The Barcelona midfielder put Spain into Sunday's Euro 2012 final, drilling his penalty in off the left-hand post to spark scenes of jubilation.

Joao Moutinho and Bruno Alves missed for Portugal, with Cristiano Ronaldo a frustrated, unused fifth penalty-taker.

The match finished 0-0 after extra-time with neither side doing enough to win.

It took until half past midnight local time to get there, but Fabregas, who had scored the winning penalty in the Euro 2008 quarter-final win over Italy, ensured Spain proceeded to a final against Germany or Italy on Sunday and remain on course for an unprecedented third successive tournament victory.

The world champions have now won their past nine knockout games at major tournaments without conceding a goal, and their past 19 competitive matches.

Neither side had produced their fluent best during only the second 0-0 draw of the tournament. At times it was a bad-tempered affair and the apparently inevitable shootout made a nervy start as goalkeepers Rui Patricio and Iker Casillas denied Xabi Alonso and Moutinho respectively in the first round.

Andres Iniesta calmly put Spain in front, only for Pepe to keep Portugal on terms with a clinical low finish. Spain defender Gerard Pique found the bottom left-hand corner of the net, but Nani responded by firing his spot-kick high into the roof of the net to make it 2-2.

But when Spain's Sergio Ramos nonchalantly chipped his penalty beyond Patricio and Alves hit the bar for Portugal, it was left to Fabregas to send Spain into the final and spark memories of 2008 when their footballing history changed forever as a nation remembered how to win.

It had been billed as a clash of Ronaldo, the ultimate individualist, and Vicente Del Bosque's finely tuned orchestra - Ronaldo against Spain, Real Madrid against Barcelona, individual brilliance against the collective mastery of the defending world and European champions.

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What nobody had accounted for, however, was Spain playing out of tune for long periods - Portugal were the conductors as inspiration gave way to perspiration in Donetsk.

Ronaldo was a constant danger. But at no stage did Spain man-mark him, subject him to rough-house treatment or even cut off the supply from the excellent Moutinho.

Spain's plan simply was to use the ball to mark Ronaldo, controlling the match through possession in an attempt to render him impotent.

Portugal had other ideas. Their physicality and unswerving desire in midfield prevented Spain settling into their familiar rhythm. At every turn, Xavi and Iniesta found a willing opponent, pressing Spain high up the field and forcing mistake after frustrating mistake.

There were warning signs that Spain might find their rhythm when Iniesta linked up with Jordi Alba down the left flank after eight minutes. The Barcelona midfielder collected Alba's pass, drifted beyond two defenders and cut the ball back only for Alvaro Arbeloa to thump a first-time shot over the bar from the edge of the area.

Opportunities such as that soon became the exception rather than the rule, however. Tempers flared at times, passes were misplaced and Portugal grew in confidence.

Ronaldo's confidence was never in question. After 12 minutes, he reduced Gerard Pique to vain pursuit, surging beyond the Barcelona defender with that remarkable power steering only for his delicate cross to be picked off Nani's head by goalkeeper Casillas.

A left-foot snap-shot found the side netting and, with half-time approaching, he spun away from Sergio Ramos, winning a free-kick and responding with that chest-out, hands-on-hips pose he has trademarked. Ronaldo was in the mood.

Spain were out of their comfort zone but their individual brilliance made them a danger on the rare occasions they did attack. Iniesta and Xavi combined well midway through the first half only for the former to curl his shot agonisingly over the crossbar.

After an hour Del Bosque had seen enough, abandoning his original plan to use a traditional centre forward in Alvaro Negredo by introducing Fabregas. The ineffective David Silva also made way for Jesus Navas as Spain sought width.

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Spain will play their fourth European Championship final on Sunday (1964, 1984, 2008 and 2012). They have lost just one (1984).
Cesc Fabregas also scored the last penalty in the 4-2 victory over Italy in the quarter-final of Euro 2008.
Wednesday's match was the first time since that match in 2008 that a Spain match had finished goalless.


Briefly, Xavi began receiving the ball in advanced positions more regularly, showing the poise and the grace to dribble into dangerous areas.

At the other end, Ronaldo thumped a dipping free-kick over the bar after 73 minutes but Portugal's raids were growing more infrequent as they were forced to rely on set-pieces. Ten minutes later, Ronaldo repeated the trick and, as the game ticked into injury time, the Real Madrid man had a chance to win it.

Portugal broke like a sprint-relay team as a Spain free-kick was cleared. The tireless Miguel Veloso found Raul Meireles, but the Chelsea man's pass forced Ronaldo to check his run down the left flank, and his shot was dragged wide.

Fatigue was beginning to show in Portugal's play and it was Spain who revived in extra-time to come as close as at any point to breaking the deadlock.

Navas might have done better with a shot, from which Alba collected and picked out Iniesta's surging run only for the midfielder to see his close-range shot pushed round the post.

Ramos thundered a free-kick inches over the bar from 30 yards moments later, before Patricio was forced into action again, turning Navas's fierce low shot away.

It was all Spain now, and Fabregas put Pedro through on goal with a delightful touch on the half-way line but Portugal flooded back before the Barcelona forward could pull the trigger.

It was a moment that encapsulated the contest - Spain pushed for a winner, desperate to avoid penalties but Fabregas ensured they need not have worried.

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* Shall we start at the end? The chaps in the BBC studio were quite reasonably asking why Cristiano Ronaldo was saved for the fifth penalty in the shoot-out, when there was a more than decent chance that he would be redundant. There is the possibility that Ronaldo, not a man unaware of his own reputation and legacy, wanted the 'glory' kick, the one that would provide the pictures all around the world tomorrow morning, and indeed for years to come. He was, after all, number five in the shoot-out against England in 2006.

However, we are of course assuming that he was number five. While he is theoretically Portugal's best penalty taker (he bagged a whopping 14 for Real Madrid last season, and of course scored in both of Portugal's shoot-out wins over England), we should probably recall that he missed one for Manchester United in the 2008 Champions League final, one against Barcelona earlier in that competition and one for Real Madrid in this season's semi-final. Did he not fancy it? Did Paulo Bento not fancy him? Would it even have mattered? After all, if Ronaldo had taken his kick first and scored, Bruno Alves would have been fifth, and had things panned out in the same manner Spain would've won anyway.

* This is possibly a question for Sunday, but should Spain beat either Italy or Germany, do they have a case to be considered the greatest team in the history of international football? No team has ever won three tournaments in a row, and no team has ever retained the European Championship. The Brazil side of 1970 is obviously viewed as the traditional holder of this title, but they didn't have the chance to prove their dominance with other tournaments (there was a gap between the final 'South American Championship' in 1967 and the first Copa America in 1975), so can we judge? Should we even try?

What is certain is that this Spanish side is magnificent - the debate about whether they are boring or not has, ironically, become rather tedious itself during this tournament, but whether their style of play fills your heart with joy or makes it sink into your shoes, can we all come together and agree that their achievements are historic and incredible?

* So, to this game. Matthew Stanger made the point in his semi-final preview that Portugal had, in theory, spent the tournament so far warming up for facing Spain, given they'd been defending solidly and hitting teams on the break with Cristiano Ronaldo's pace and power, but in the first half of this game they took a rather different approach. They took the maverick attitude of trying to deny Spain possession of the ball, rather than letting them have it and trying to prevent them doing anything useful. They pressed and harried and pressured Spain, charging around the pitch and - shock horror - taking a proactive attitude to the game, rather than a containing one. It worked too...sort of...all that was missing was a goal. It was just a shame that they couldn't keep it up. It is worth saying that, for all this apparent dominance, they failed to register a single shot on target.

* In the second half however, they dropped off significantly, allowing Spain more and more of the ball and dropping further and further back, inviting their attacks. Whether this was just because they tired after a frantic first half, or if it was a deliberate containing tactic is unclear. At points in the first half it looked like the extra two days rest Portugal enjoyed after their quarter-final was paying, before Spain made something of a mockery of that theory as the game progressed.

* Indeed, one was struck with a sense of deja-vu during extra-time. As one team dominated possession and attacked, the other wilted and were hanging on, relying on some heroic defending as their forward players looked unsure what to do with the ball when it came to them. It was Sunday all over again.

* It was interesting that, in Portugal's period of dominance, Ronaldo had a relatively poor game, by his standards anyway. The burning desire to win the thing by himself, to do Something Special, was clear, and it looked like it was holding him back again. Indeed, Ronaldo had seven shots, not one on target. If nothing else, it did make something of a mockery of the theory that they are a one-man team.

* The first half does make a neutral rather hope for a German victory in the other semi-final. If they make it through to Sunday's showpiece in Kiev, they are much more likely to attack Spain, making for a much more interesting final. If Italy succeed, a more cautious game plan is probable.

* Arguably the crucial moment in the game came at the end of normal time. Portugal broke rapidly with Raul Meireles, who had three colleagues streaming up alongside him. All he needed to do was play a relatively simple pass in front of Ronaldo, but instead the ball was marginally behind him, forcing the winger to check his run, in front of a defender and not get a proper shot at goal. If the pass had been two yards further forwards, he would've been directly in on the keeper. Small, small margins.

* The Alvaro Negredo experiment didn't exactly work out, then. Vicente del Bosque's theory was to have someone with a bit of physicality to give the brutish pairing of Bruno Alves and Pepe something to think about, but he made the mistake that many who try the same trick when playing Stoke in the Premier League. Why, when your own game is so opposed to such tactics, would you even try to beat the opposition where their strength lies? Pepe and Alves looked more vulnerable against the quicker and trickier Cesc Fabregas and Jesus Navas when they came on, while they dealt with the utterly ineffective Negredo easily.

* Having said that, the Portuguese defence was magnificent, particularly in extra-time. They, along with the rest of their side, looked utterly knackered, but Pepe, Alves, Fabio Coentrao and Joao Pereira repelled attack after attack, with a more penetrative Spain unable to find their way all the way through. Indeed, Spain only managed four shots on target over normal and extra-time.

* Portugal's final ball was generally appalling. The plan of getting the ball out wide and flinging the thing into the box was sound enough, but they attempted 19 crosses over the 120 minutes, and only two of them found their targets.

* The game featured one of your correspondent's least favourite elements of football - the missed opportunity for an advantage. In the first half, Nani broke through the middle and looked to have Sergio Ramos and Gerard Pique on the run, but referee Cuneyt Cakir pulled the play back for a free-kick on the halfway line. To Portugal. Mistakes by a referee are fine and part of human nature, but to deny an attacking team a clearly advantageous position is just base stupidity, and is enormously frustrating.

* Like this game, this entire tournament has tailed off after a frantic and hugely entertaining beginning. The group stages were quite excellent, with goals aplenty, the odd upset, some brilliant team and individual performances and, of course, no 0-0 draws. Since then, we have seen the Germans steamroller Greece, England's stationary bus against Italy, Spain toying with France like a mean child teasing a small cat and this rather scrappy affair. Portugal's win over the Czechs was reasonably entertaining, if only for Ronaldo's increasingly creative 'It's not fair' faces, but it was hardly a classic. Of course, the quality of a tournament often falls away as the tension mounts and the importance of the matches increases, but the knockout games are the ones people remember in years to come. So far, we haven't really had one to stick in the mind for very long.

* What exactly happens to Pepe when he plays for Real Madrid? F365's man in Madrid and general all-round Good Egg Tim Stannard has interviewed the big man, and is a rather sweet young man, who has no idea what happens to him when he goes out onto the pitch. The reddest of red mists just occasionally falls over his face, and he does stuff like this. And yet, for Portugal, he's sane. Go figure.

* There was a smashing few minutes in the second half. Jordi Alba went down crying foul, claiming a heinous injury, claims that Pepe was none-too-impressed with, bawling at the Spanish left-back to get up and stop being such a great big girl. A few minutes later, Pepe was similarly felled, and he jumped up off the ground as fresh as a daisy, not claimi...oh, no, wait - the opposite of that.

* Fabio Coentrao has Pat Sharp's hair.

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So..who decides the order of penalty takers? Cos I would've thought it was the manager, but everyone seemed convinced last night that Ronaldo decided he would take the last one.

Whoever's decision it was..I do think it was a bad one. You should have your takers in order of best to worst..

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So..who decides the order of penalty takers? Cos I would've thought it was the manager, but everyone seemed convinced last night that Ronaldo decided he would take the last one.

Whoever's decision it was..I do think it was a bad one. You should have your takers in order of best to worst..


Probably depends on the manager in question? I dunno about Portugal, but I can see some managers letting players have some say in it.

I can see the logic of taking the last one with your best player... IF you're sure you can make it to 4-4!

Else it could be suicide, and I agree it should be best to worst order. It's all psychological by then as they've all practised penalties (allegedly) and to be a goal up/down in a shootout really puts pressure on the other side, definitely a big advantage if you can keep scoring right from the beginning as it can affect everything else.

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I was wondering if Portugals other players bottle the 5th and Ronaldo was the only one willing?

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Could be..it is a big pressure pen if you get there.

Just seems daft though, if he'd taken the first one they'd likely have been 1-0 up and all the pressure would've been on Spain.

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Not sure how much it matters Ronaldo has missed in his last 2 shoot outs.

I imagine it was decided Ronaldo would take 5th and you feel he gets to do what he wants


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The other thing with him last night..I wish just once he'd clip a free kick into the box..it'd probably throw all the defenders completely off and they might nick a goal. His free kicks were so so poor last night.

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Just getting them on target would cause problems because of the power he uses, most keepers would be forced to parry the shot leaving the strikers to pounce on the loose ball.

Thought Portugal were immense first half, not sure I've seen any team play that well against Spain/Barca for years.

Gutted Spain won.

About the boring Spain thing, Graham Hunter was making the same point the other day about it being because the opposition set up so defensively. It's true, but that doesn't make Spain interesting to watch most of the time. Watching Spain make 800 passes a game isn't automatically exciting to watch because they're really good. I find it as interesting as Chelsea's football (which I find incredibly dull most of the time). Last nights game was excellent though.

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The great matches that fans remember and talk about are the ones that are back and forth slug fests like in boxing you don't want to see one man dominating you want the contest to be close with both men having a go.

Spain played really badly last night in midfield and attack Xavi never really got going it was when he came off that they started to play.


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