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 Post subject: Re: Everton News & Views
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:06 pm 
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That's what I don't understand, I feel like the perfect club for his current level is where he is now.

Watching our first competitive game of the season last night I'd love him to change his mind and stay cause I can see Rooney frustrating me all season in that position.


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That's what I don't understand, I feel like the perfect club for his current level is where he is now.

Watching our first competitive game of the season last night I'd love him to change his mind and stay cause I can see Rooney frustrating me all season in that position.


Seems like Koeman has just given up on him.

He's either tried to work with him to help him improve and the player just won't listen or he's not prepared to invest his time in a guy who isn't committed 100% to the club.

All the talent is there with Barkley going forward but he clearly needs to improve what he does defensively and a lot of what I read say he's not great off the ball at getting back into position when Everton lose possession which might explain why managers at international level are reluctant to use him.

It seems like Spurs are keen on him but he needs to lower his wage demands he's reportedly asking for £120k a week which would make him the top earner at Spurs but he's done nothing in his career so far to warrant those sort of wages especially when he'd be signing as a squad player.


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Koeman certainly seems like a stubborn type the way he has dealt with Barkley and completely frozen Niasse out. Not that the latter is necessarily a bad thing for us on the pitch but its not nice. I do worry that if he falls out with anyone else it will start to effect our incoming transfers. Although it doesn't seem to be having any effect so far!


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Koeman certainly seems like a stubborn type the way he has dealt with Barkley and completely frozen Niasse out. Not that the latter is necessarily a bad thing for us on the pitch but its not nice. I do worry that if he falls out with anyone else it will start to effect our incoming transfers. Although it doesn't seem to be having any effect so far!


I guess the real test will be when you go head to head with the teams above you for players can you get them to come to Everton over a Liverpool or a Spurs? So far the players you've targetted haven't really been on the radar of the top sides and in the case of Rooney a high earner at a big club who they were happy to let go.

How are people taking to Rooney? I know he scored a few in pre season but reading recent match reports from those Euro qualifiers that suggest he's not looked particularly great.


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I think Pickford and Keane were on Liverpool's radar. Keane I think actually came out and said he picked us over them. But I'm sure that's because he thought he'd get more game time with us and if they end up with van Dyke then I think they'd have done much better than us anyway.
I guess we have to push on a little more especially in Europe to attract the next level up targets. Although Sigurdsson and Giroud (not looking likely) would be a slight step up again I think.

I've heard a lot of people talk positively about Rooney saying you can see the class is still there but it'll take time etc. I will give him more time myself but from the two legged European tie I watched he looked average. The thing that made it worse is the other players seem to look for him over any other team mates so if he continues to underwhelm I hope that doesn't continue as he loses possession a fair bit and his finishing was actually embarrassing at times.


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I think Pickford and Keane were on Liverpool's radar. Keane I think actually came out and said he picked us over them. But I'm sure that's because he thought he'd get more game time with us and if they end up with van Dyke then I think they'd have done much better than us anyway.
I guess we have to push on a little more especially in Europe to attract the next level up targets. Although Sigurdsson and Giroud (not looking likely) would be a slight step up again I think.

I've heard a lot of people talk positively about Rooney saying you can see the class is still there but it'll take time etc. I will give him more time myself but from the two legged European tie I watched he looked average. The thing that made it worse is the other players seem to look for him over any other team mates so if he continues to underwhelm I hope that doesn't continue as he loses possession a fair bit and his finishing was actually embarrassing at times.


Always hard to tell what is real and what is paper talk Keane was heavily linked to us and Liverpool but we've both decided to go elsewhere Utd went for Lindelof & Liverpool went after Van Dijk. I'm really interested to see how he does as he won't be able to just sit deep and play backs to the walls defence like he did at Burnley.

Giroud would be an amazing signing in terms of a ready made Lukaku replacement he's pretty much perfect the only problem with Giroud is you need pace around him as he's slow but all the talk around that one seems to have gone away, if Sanchez stays at Arsenal I think he could force the move. I'm less sold on Siggurdson just because I don't really see why Everton need him they've got players in his position already and they've got a set piece specialist in Baines so what does Siggurdson bring to the party?

That was my worry with Rooney I don't think his issues at Utd were that he wasn't fit or that he wasn't trying it was just that his game has gone and he doesn't know what to do anymore. He has lost his pace and he hasn't really adapted to life without it. If he doesn't adapt quickly it'll be interesting to see how long goes by before Koeman gives up on him


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Early days obviously but Keane looked reliable in the first two games. Also brought the ball out nicely which I wasn't expecting from him.

Giroud would be my ideal replacement for Lukaku, like you say ready made and would slot right in. The pace thing is very concerning though and Sigurdsson wouldn't help in that respect but if we could bring the two in could you imagine the amount of goals the two could create together?
Hopefully there will be a pacey wide man coming in as well but I'm not even sure on Giroud let alone another surprise signing. Koeman has said 3 more will hopefully come in.
We may have signed lots of players so far but I feel we need almost another 4-5 to really push on.

If I'm honest I can't see Rooney improving but I guess we all have to at least give him a good run to see what happens. I do hope Koeman will be strong with him if he doesn't perform.


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I guess you can't go to mad out wide with Bolasie coming back from injury at some point during the season and Mirralas is very quick but it would be the wide areas where I'd say Everton are still lacking the quality to push on.

The Giroud stuff seems to be off sounds like he's staying at Arsenal, heard a few stories they might be open to offers on Welbeck he could be a good signing but everyone knows the problem with Welbz is he doesn't score enough goals and he's had big injury problems over the last 2 years.

Yeah I mean Mourinho pretty much gave up with him after 2-3 months last season and just used him as a backup striker but I think he got a bit lucky as Rooney picked up an injury that almost made the decision for him. It would be a big test of Rooney's temper if he got dropped at Everton though.


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Good start for your boys.

Only saw the highlights but Rooney looked like he played well, scored a good header but was participating in the build up as well.

Maybe not the best opposition to judge him against but it's a good start.


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Needed to be a good start as we now have

Hajduk Split
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Hadjuk Split
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Will be very interesting to see where we are at the end of that run of games.


Even better start for you guys and looks like Lukaku has hit the ground running.


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Yeah judging by his past record vs West Ham he couldn't have picked a better team to make his debut against. He's scored something like 13 goals in 11 games against them now.

Confident on Siggurdson? Seems like it's all gone a bit quiet on that recently a lot of talk and speculation but no real action seems like it might go down to the wire on deadline day unless you shift Barkley.


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Keep hearing the deal is close but how much closer can it get without it being completed? I do wonder if its hinging on the Barkley situation or others departing to free up wages.
Its such a lot of money I can only hope we have some sort of target man lined up to link up with him or I just can't see the use of blowing £45-£50m on someone with his skill set.
Our whole transfer window has gone quiet after such a good start, beginning to wonder if we've shot ourselves in the foot paying those high fees early on and now everyone is trying to rinse us.

Do enjoy seeing Lukaku tear West Ham apart. Not so much when he's wearing red though.....doesn't quite look right.


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No striker in and Rooney playing up. Good times.


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This is what you get with Rooney he's not a model pro I think everyone knows that but it'll blow over it always does, he's got a bad habit of doing silly things in international weeks where the press have nothing better to talk about.

The drunk in the hotel and the punch up with Bardsley video I think were both during international breaks and now he's retired from that those are definetily pencilled in as his drinking weeks to meet up with the lads.

Big test at home to Spurs this week for Everton can they lay down a marker they had that good result at City but didn't really turn up vs Chelsea.


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Thoughts on Koeman MIG?

Obviously had a tough start but I'd say team isn't looking much better than last season after that big investment in the summer not sure the plan to spread the Lukaku goals out around the team was that wise you need main guy up top to lead the line.

Not sure the tactics were that good at the weeekend not having any pace out wide made it hard to get support to Rooney who was very isolated and feeding on scraps plus he did the Rooney thing of dropping deep to get a touch normally because he can't win long balls up against two centre backs.

Still feels like it'll be a challenge to fit Rooney and Siggurdson in the same team but it's early days yet.


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We'll see where we are after the next 5 games I think. It was a really tough start but I'd like to have seen us being a little more competitive like in the City game.

All that money spent was great but it needed to be as well as the Lukaku replacement not instead of. Hopefully we can put that right in the next window or two at the latest.

Don't think Koeman knows what to do with the players he has. He can't seem to find his best 11 or a system that works yet. Like I say, lets see where we are in 5 games time, if we are still struggling then serious questions need answering.


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We'll see where we are after the next 5 games I think. It was a really tough start but I'd like to have seen us being a little more competitive like in the City game.

All that money spent was great but it needed to be as well as the Lukaku replacement not instead of. Hopefully we can put that right in the next window or two at the latest.

Don't think Koeman knows what to do with the players he has. He can't seem to find his best 11 or a system that works yet. Like I say, lets see where we are in 5 games time, if we are still struggling then serious questions need answering.


Seems like they were confident on Giroud but fairly late on he decided to stay at Arsenal rather than move maybe they could've gone for Llorente but with the on going issues with Swansea over Sigurdsson that probably wasn't realistic having unsettled him so much they kind of had to force things through on that one.

Yeah still seems like he's working out how to fit all the pieces together but the win yesterday will have helped just settling things down but he's going to have to pick something soon and stick with it for a run of games constantly chopping and changing selection and formation never really works.

Guess key players like Bolasie and Coleman coming back later in the season might help with the lack of speed in the side right now personally I'd prefer to see Everton play a back 4 rather than a 3 which would help get more players in their favoured positions, right now it feels he's playing the back 3 because he doesn't trust Williams/Jagielka in a two alongside Keane possibly because of their lack of speed.


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We'll see where we are after the next 5 games I think. It was a really tough start but I'd like to have seen us being a little more competitive like in the City game.

All that money spent was great but it needed to be as well as the Lukaku replacement not instead of. Hopefully we can put that right in the next window or two at the latest.

Don't think Koeman knows what to do with the players he has. He can't seem to find his best 11 or a system that works yet. Like I say, lets see where we are in 5 games time, if we are still struggling then serious questions need answering.


Seems like they were confident on Giroud but fairly late on he decided to stay at Arsenal rather than move maybe they could've gone for Llorente but with the on going issues with Swansea over Sigurdsson that probably wasn't realistic having unsettled him so much they kind of had to force things through on that one.

Yeah still seems like he's working out how to fit all the pieces together but the win yesterday will have helped just settling things down but he's going to have to pick something soon and stick with it for a run of games constantly chopping and changing selection and formation never really works.

Guess key players like Bolasie and Coleman coming back later in the season might help with the lack of speed in the side right now personally I'd prefer to see Everton play a back 4 rather than a 3 which would help get more players in their favoured positions, right now it feels he's playing the back 3 because he doesn't trust Williams/Jagielka in a two alongside Keane possibly because of their lack of speed.


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Bit disappointing that Giroud was the only (or main) plan, we had a long time from Lukaku saying he wouldn't sign a new contract to sort his replacement. Shouldn't have put all our eggs in one basket. Although I'm reading today we put a £70m bid in for Costa on deadline day but that sounds pretty desperate and highly unlikely anyway.
Talk of us going back for Giroud in January, which again I would love, but I believe its him that turned us down not Arsenal so we really need a back up plan if it fails again.
Now would be the best time to stick with the same team, we've won and have slightly easier games coming up.
Bolasie and particularly Coleman coming back will really help the team especially in terms of pace and balance. We knew both would be missing for long periods though so again where is the back up plan?


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Bit disappointing that Giroud was the only (or main) plan, we had a long time from Lukaku saying he wouldn't sign a new contract to sort his replacement. Shouldn't have put all our eggs in one basket. Although I'm reading today we put a £70m bid in for Costa on deadline day but that sounds pretty desperate and highly unlikely anyway.
Talk of us going back for Giroud in January, which again I would love, but I believe its him that turned us down not Arsenal so we really need a back up plan if it fails again.
Now would be the best time to stick with the same team, we've won and have slightly easier games coming up.
Bolasie and particularly Coleman coming back will really help the team especially in terms of pace and balance. We knew both would be missing for long periods though so again where is the back up plan?


I think the problem with that is so many clubs were in the market for strikers this summer and to be fair Everton did sign 2 strikers in Sandro & Rooney but like you say neither are a traditional style number 9. The scramble for Costa was a strange story as like you say he was never going to come to Everton as he clearly was only interested in going back to Madrid.

I read Giroud got some assurances about his playing time after Wenger changed his mind on his role so he decided to stay I can't see Arsenal letting him go anywhere in January because they will need him in the run in. It is strange because Koeman teams have always had a big man up top but it feel like he was hoping Rooney could do this job for him. It does seem like the tide is turning on Rooney a bit with some fans maybe realising what they've signed which is a fairly inconsistent player who needs the team around him to help him.

I guess guys like Holgate and Calvert-Lewin are the backup plan to these guys it's always a tough one with injuries players because unless you can get loan signings you can't really sign replacements because you end up with to many players so I guess it's a chance for the youth to step up.

It sort of reminds me a bit of when City first got their money they went a bit made just signing loads of players and it might be next season when the squad can really take shape but to get the players who will kick them on is going to be tough because it still feels like there are 6 better teams than Everton who are all just as rich.


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